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["Linda EMTER" <intuitlinda AT msn.com>]

Lisa,

Good to hear James, Gene, Don, and Rob in WA, are still around. Of course 
that includes you and Bev too! I will be anxious to see what you all are 
talking about now.....besides the economy and gas and war. 

I'll be peaking in every now and then to say hi. I'm not much of a chatter 
box unless I desperately need some help on something I'm working with. With 
my Bob gone, life is not easy. 

Have a wonderful evening.

Linda*
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     1. Re: TVO (Lisa K.V. Perry)
     2. Re: Public school politics (Lynda)
     3. Not a Problem in CA, was Public school politics (Lynda)
     4. Re: Pacifism (VAN DELL JORDAN)
     5. Re: Asparagus (Lisa K.V. Perry)
     6. Re: Pacifism (Gene GeRue)
     7. Re: Asparagus (EarthNSky)
     8. Re: Pacifism (paxamicus AT earthlink.net<mailto:paxamicus AT earthlink.net>)
     9. Re: Asparagus 
(paxamicus AT earthlink.net<mailto:paxamicus AT earthlink.net>)
    10. Re: Selling lambs for meat (Bill Jones)


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  Message: 1
  Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:05:43 -0500
  From: "Lisa K.V. Perry" 
<lisakvperry AT gmail.com<mailto:lisakvperry AT gmail.com>>
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] TVO
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  On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Linda EMTER 
<intuitlinda AT msn.com<mailto:intuitlinda AT msn.com>> wrote:

  >
  > I am able to read *some* of the lists e-mail, and like you, Lisa, I too
  > learn alot. Say, what ever happened to James? He, TVO, and you too GENE,
  > were always very informative and interesting- along with you Bev and 
Lisa. I
  > always loved gleaning all I could about mortgage information. (Lisa) Oh 
and
  > then there's Rob in WA State. Is Don still around?


  James, Don and Rob are around. There are now two Rob's: Rob in WA (formerly
  MN) and Rob in VA. And a wide assortment of other people as well.

  I'm glad to no longer talk about mortgages (closed last loan 8/06), now my
  level of so-called 'expertise' is being a Family Provider (aka Direct
  Support Professional) to a 24/7 live-in client.

  Lisa


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  Message: 2
  Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:56:06 -0800
  From: "Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net<mailto:lurine AT softcom.net>>
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Public school politics
  To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>>
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  Welllll, you're half right <g>  The law isn't on the books the way the judge
  decided it is.  The R4 does not require credentialled teachers.  The judge
  decided that parents weren't elligible to use the R4.  That isn't the law
  and the law clearly reads that anyone can be a private school.  It even
  divides the R4 up into categories for 1-5 students and 6 or more students.

  And you're right about the teapot.  It has a name, H$LDA!

  Lynda
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: <paxamicus AT earthlink.net<mailto:paxamicus AT earthlink.net>>
  >
  > The California thing, I understand, is a closer look at a law already
  > on the books. It was an effort made to handle a situation where
  > someone felt the children were actually in danger, so they pulled
  > this out of their hats to get the kids somewhere safe. The point is,
  > the law was already on the books. And again, I can see both sides of
  > this equation. I understand the community having a vested interest in
  > seeing all
  > kids are being educated to a certain level. It should be left up to
  > the parents to find the way to get the kids there. I just can't
  > imagine this is really going to undermine the homeschool movement in
  > California, of all places.
  > I think it's sort of a tempest in a teapot.



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  Message: 3
  Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:57:08 -0800
  From: "Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net<mailto:lurine AT softcom.net>>
  Subject: [Homestead] Not a Problem in CA, was Public school politics
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  O.K., silly me, I was hoping that the hysteria wouldn't reach this far <g>

  The California case is about ONE family who has been in the Family Law
  courts for TWENTY years over sexual and physical abuse of their children.
  Daddy Dearest refused, yet again, to abide by the rules the court set
  down -- 1) update the homeschooling texts from the 70s to current materials
  and 2) have the local school district review and help, if needed, to bring
  the curriculum into line with the DOE.  Mom got newer workbooks but Daddy
  Dearest refused to meet with the local school principal.  He also kicked the
  social worker out of the house.  He refused to come up with a birth
  certificate on one of the children who was in foster care.  He hid the wife
  and kids.  He generally made some simple stuff beyond difficult.  The judge
  got bent out of shape and said put the two kids remaining in the home in
  public school or they can go into foster care with the older daughter who
  had filed the complaint about physical abuse by Daddy Dearest and sexual
  abuse by Daddy Dearest good friend Lynn C.  A good friend who had been
  accused of sexually abusing another one of the daughters 10 or 15 years
  prior to this.

  Even the do nothing governor has stated that this will not effect
  homeschoolers and if anyone tries he'll shove legislation through to make
  schooling choice law.

  This whole hysteria thing is being fueled by a membership drive by that
  IDIOT Mike Farris and H$LDA and that sicko Dobson!

  California homeschooling is alive and well and not going to disappear.  AND,
  teacher credentials won't be required for the simple reason that the judge
  doesn't even know how to read California law.  California doesn't require
  teaching credential for parents who do teaching in California public schools
  and if the ruling is allowed to stand it will  necessitate the hiring of
  hundreds, if not a thousands, more teachers and effectively bankrupt the
  state!  California has about 100,000 students in charter ISPs, brick and
  mortar ISPs and charter cyber schools, plus the 200,000 homeschoolers all 
of 
  whom would need to have a teacher hired!  That would be about 100,000 new 
  teachers at $120,000/year (salary, bennies, per diem for travel time) for a 
  total of $12,000,000,000/year.  Ain't gonna happen!

  Lynda, supremely tired of H$LDA's fearmongering!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Gene GeRue" <genegerue AT ruralize.com<mailto:genegerue AT ruralize.com>>


  > Yet more proof of the political abuse of public education:
  >
  >snip<
  > And in California:
  >
  > "Parents who lack teaching credentials cannot educate their children
  > at home, according to a state appellate court ruling that is sending
  > waves of fear through California's home schooling families. . . ."



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  Message: 4
  Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:22:40 -0800 (PST)
  From: VAN DELL JORDAN <vdjor AT yahoo.com<mailto:vdjor AT yahoo.com>>
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Pacifism
  To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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  Do you think there are times when we must fight?? 
  Times when the alternative would be even worse?
  Van Dell


  --- Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com<mailto:genegerue AT ruralize.com>> 
wrote:

   War is an admission of our
  > failures.....
   .........Unnecessarily but purposefully killing
  > another human, no  
  > matter how heinous their behavior, sets back our
  > quest to  
  > civilization, it reduces our humanity and coarsens
  > our soul. 


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  Message: 5
  Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:32:49 -0500
  From: "Lisa K.V. Perry" 
<lisakvperry AT gmail.com<mailto:lisakvperry AT gmail.com>>
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Asparagus
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  On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:42 PM, <eureka AT hctc.net<mailto:eureka AT hctc.net>> 
wrote:

  > For those of you still mired in winter, I am sending
  > pleasant thoughts--we harvested and ate our first
  > asparagus of spring tonight here in southwest Texas!!


  Wow, asparagus in early March. Like when we grew the most beautiful red
  peppers until Thanksgiving in Charleston, SC. Can't imagine gardening in a
  climate such as TX or coastal SC right now, meanwhile we're getting light
  flurries but the leaves of the daffodils are above ground and the first
  crocus opened two days ago.

  Lisa
  sw VA


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  Message: 6
  Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:33:59 -0700
  From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com<mailto:genegerue AT ruralize.com>>
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Pacifism
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  On Mar 8, 2008, at 1:22 PM, VAN DELL JORDAN wrote:

  > Do you think there are times when we must fight??
  > Times when the alternative would be even worse?

  Must? That is an imperative. Of course, we must fight to protect  
  ourselves or those we care about. Unless we choose to be martyrs.

  I once had a concealed weapon permit. I had a perfect score on the  
  written examination. One of the laws one must follow regards when  
  deadly force may be used. It is when we believe ourselves or another  
  is in peril of death unless the attacker is stopped. At such a moment  
  one does whatever is possible. Immediately.





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  Message: 7
  Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:43:12 -0500
  From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net<mailto:erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>>
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Asparagus
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  Woke up to snow on the ground here this morning.  It was just a dusting, 
  but snow nonetheless.  It's supposed to be about 25 tonight and all the 
  fruit trees are about to bloom.  They are at the stage that if you look 
  close, you can see the pink of the flower bud.  We already done crocuses 
  and daffodils a few weeks ago.

  Bev in NW GA

  Lisa K.V. Perry wrote:
    Like when we grew the most beautiful red
  > peppers until Thanksgiving in Charleston, SC. Can't imagine gardening in a
  > climate such as TX or coastal SC right now, meanwhile we're getting light
  > flurries but the leaves of the daffodils are above ground and the first
  > crocus opened two days ago.
  > 
  > Lisa
  > sw VA

  -- 
  BevanRon of EarthNSky Farm   NW Georgia USDA Zone 7
  34.498N 85.076W    Bev is Earth, Ron is Sky 


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  Message: 8
  Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:09:16 -0500
  From: paxamicus AT earthlink.net<mailto:paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Pacifism
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  Ghandi would disagree.

  I'm not saying I think you are wrong in how you feel, I'm just saying,  
  Ghandi walked right under the clubs. The Honoured Uncle gave the  
  Robber his last shirt.

  One thing I have learned to do is judge my actions against how they ar  
  going to effect ME. And I don't mean, in a materialistic calculating  
  way.

  What I mean is, If I'm about to say something really catty, I've  
  learned to think about whether I really want to take that cattiness  
  internally. When I think of myself as the "er" part of the an  
  equation, it changes things.
  I know, that doesn't make any sense. Let me try again. If I am having  
  a sarcastic conversation with someone, I'm not just being sarcastic  
  and hurtful to them. I'm bearing the brunt of carrying around sarcasm  
  and meanness.

  It has taken a long time and a lot of help to get to this point. I  
  think it's a good one.

  Anyway, I think pacifism of any sort is doomed to failure and long as  
  it is the thrust of our culture to be bigger, better, and have more  
  plastic crap than the next guy. Or, conversely, to think it's ok to  
  push one's opinions down someone else's throat, no matter how much you  
  want to save them.









  On Mar 8, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Gene GeRue wrote:
  >
  > I once had a concealed weapon permit. I had a perfect score on the
  > written examination. One of the laws one must follow regards when
  > deadly force may be used. It is when we believe ourselves or another
  > is in peril of death unless the attacker is stopped. At such a moment
  > one does whatever is possible. Immediately.
  >
  >
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  Message: 9
  Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:38:02 -0500
  From: paxamicus AT earthlink.net<mailto:paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Asparagus
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  Our daffs and crocuses are coming up now.

  I love asparagus fries.  With parmesan panko and garlic aoli. With  
  cornmeal and sweet tangy hickory sauce. Rice flour tempora and ginger  
  sauce.

  I have this theory that eating fried veggies is a karmic wash. The  
  veggies negate the evilness of the frying. You can eat as much as you  
  want. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. : )

  Now I'm hungry and can't wait for the asparagus to come up.





  On Mar 8, 2008, at 3:43 PM, EarthNSky wrote:

  > Woke up to snow on the ground here this morning.  It was just a  
  > dusting,
  > but snow nonetheless.  It's supposed to be about 25 tonight and all  
  > the
  > fruit trees are about to bloom.  They are at the stage that if you  
  > look
  > close, you can see the pink of the flower bud.  We already done  
  > crocuses
  > and daffodils a few weeks ago.
  >
  > Bev in NW GA
  >
  > Lisa K.V. Perry wrote:
  >  Like when we grew the most beautiful red
  >> peppers until Thanksgiving in Charleston, SC. Can't imagine  
  >> gardening in a
  >> climate such as TX or coastal SC right now, meanwhile we're getting  
  >> light
  >> flurries but the leaves of the daffodils are above ground and the  
  >> first
  >> crocus opened two days ago.
  >>
  >> Lisa
  >> sw VA
  >
  > -- 
  > BevanRon of EarthNSky Farm   NW Georgia USDA Zone 7
  > 34.498N 85.076W    Bev is Earth, Ron is Sky 
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  Message: 10
  Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:54:56 -0800
  From: Bill Jones <billj AT harborside.com<mailto:billj AT harborside.com>>
  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Selling lambs for meat
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  They're crosses between Soay and Katahdin, and some other breed I can't 
  remember.  It was not Cheviot.

  Lynda wrote:

  >What breed do you have?  We've looked at Soay, but I'm kinda worried that 
  >they might be too small with the local coyote problem.  So we're also 
  >looking at Icelandic.
  >
  >Lynda
  >----- Original Message ----- 
  >From: "Bill Jones" <billj AT harborside.com<mailto:billj AT harborside.com>>
  >
  >
  >  
  >
  >>I''ve tried out many farm animals here, and the only ones that come
  >>close to getting along with no feed are the sheep.  I went away for 3
  >>months this winter.  Even though my caretaker only brought my 5
  >>miniature sheep one flake of hay each week, they got along just great
  >>with their bowl of salt and 1 2/3 acres of grass.
  >>
  >>I especially came to appreciate them when one newly acquired "lamb" gave
  >>birth.  What a boon to think they can get along all by themselves like
  >>that!  There's no wonder that people have kept them throught the ages.
  >>Now we're looking for a miniature ram.
  >>
  >>Yesterday I opened up the gate into the garden, so they could graze the
  >>grass between the beds.  The last of the Brassicas have been removed,
  >>and there are no tall favas yet, so how much can they harm a few leek
  >>tops and old celery plants, I figure.
  >>    
  >>
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