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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Ethnicity (was Tortillas) (Bill Jones)
2. Re: Another new member (clhw)
3. Re: Ethnicity (was Tortillas) (eureka AT hctc.net)
4. Re: Ethnicity (was Tortillas) (Clansgian AT wmconnect.com)
5. Re: Another new member (eureka AT hctc.net)
6. Re: Ethnicity (was Tortillas) (eureka AT hctc.net)
7. Re: Ethnicity (was Tortillas) (Bill Jones)
8. Re: Ethnicity (was Tortillas) (Lynda)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:15:18 -0700
From: Bill Jones 
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Ethnicity (was Tortillas)
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Lynda wrote:

>{{{{{Hugs}}}}} and lots of positive energy. Hope the job turns out to be a 
>good thing!
>
>As to the favas, I first experienced them back in the 50s when one of our 
>neighbors was from Egypt. Hmmmm, seems to me they were called ful 
>(pronounced fool) something or another. Reminded me of refried beans with 
>lots of garlic and cumin but also a taste of lemon. Quite good.
>
> 
>
That's it! I couldn't remember the name.

>However, I don't like them because they are a PITA. 
>
? Is this some reference I might find vulgar? :)
Eventually things will normalize with a consistent high-fibre diet, dear.

> Being a history nut 
>(both history history and food history), I found it interesting to follow 
>their path from deep in the Mediterranean to them being considered to 
>somehow be credited as something English.
> 
>
You might have heard the story about how Pythagoras was opposed to 
eating beans (favas, of course) and forbade all his disciples to eat 
them as well. It's been speculated that he had favism (a severe allergy 
to them).

I'm not sure when the first crop was harvested in England, but it would 
not surprise me if it was in Roman times or earlier. That was several 
cultures ago, in human terms. So that makes about as native an English 
food as need be, since the typical person would not think of their 
broadbeans as Mediterranean, after such as long time. For instance, if 
you look at the different words for turkey, you can see that absolutely 
no folk wisdom about the origin of foods can be taken seriously; 
continental Europeans thought that turkeys came from India (and all this 
confusion came about within only a few centuries). People don't eat 
favas as much in England today, but if you believe John Seymour, they 
were once as common a food item among the peasantry as "habas" in Spain 
or favas in Italy. He even admits to eating small favas, skins and all.

Bill
S. Oregon coast




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:20:49 -0400
From: clhw AT infoave.net (clhw)
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Rick -- Welcome to the list.
Are you on the Terlingua Ranch? I'm on the TexasOutback list.
Both my parents grew up not far from there and my brother worked in the Big
Bend Park for a couple of years long ago.

We are somewhat remote -- it's called rural here and we can't see the
houses of any neighbors but are only 5 minutes from a small township and 15
minutes for our county seat. We're in the southeast not too many hours
distance from Bev.

If you are able to raise veggies, fruit, and maybe livestock (like birds,
goats, and/or eggs) and you live on Terlingua, I suspect there would be
customers near you. Also, you could put trade/swap and sale notices at the
lodge, if there is a community bulletin board. Maybe you could start one.

If you're at TR, possibly a regular patrol of properties owned by absentees
or shopping trips for others, on commission, would be additional money
raisers.

Then there is Internet sales, which are lucrative for some, but might be
affected by available shipping. UPS will come to your home here, as will
DHL, and a couple of other private delivery services.

Possible tours of visitors, with identification of native plants and
animals could be done for money.

Welcome.

>Hello all,
>
>Joined your list this week. I have been homesteading for
>six years on five diverse acres in a canyon in southwest
>Texas. There are only 4.4 people per square mile here--an
>hour from Mexico, but a day's drive to any other state.
>There is no radio, tv, or cell phone reception because of
>the mountains, but thankfully we now have DSL. I don't
>know how many of you live in a remote area, but isn't it
>great to have an Internet community?
>

snip

>Before leaving the city behind, I was a professional
>botanist and a graphic artist for two decades. My husband
>teaches at the area rural school, and we have a small
>organic vegetable and egg business, selling mostly to
>locals.
>
>I would be interested in learning ways other homesteaders
>have found to create sideline income. Our friends have
>tried selling at a farmer's market, but can't break even
>due to time & travel costs. Many families vacation here in
>the summer, if I had a product or two to sell, and of
>course there is selling on the Internet, eBay etc.
>Suggestions, ideas?
>
>As for contribution, I might be able to help on plant
>questions, and perhaps provide encouragement to those not
>yet living their dream.
>
>Sage (& Rick)
>way out in Texas




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:26:29 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Ethnicity (was Tortillas)
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Very interesting! I tried to grow fava beans last year for 
the first time, mostly out of curiousity and as a possible 
wheat substitute for my husband. When my package arrived, 
it contained only about ten seeds. Only half sprouted, and 
only one survived. It finally bloomed, and nothing became 
of it. I would think, given their history, they might like 
our sun and arid climate. Is there some secret to 
successful favas? Why would a seed company be so stingy?

--Sage
way out in Texas

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:15:18 -0700
Bill Jones wrote:
> Lynda wrote:
> 
>>{{{{{Hugs}}}}} and lots of positive energy. Hope the job 
>>turns out to be a 
>>good thing!
>>
>>As to the favas, I first experienced them back in the 50s 
>>when one of our 
>>neighbors was from Egypt. Hmmmm, seems to me they were 
>>called ful 
>>(pronounced fool) something or another. Reminded me of 
>>refried beans with 
>>lots of garlic and cumin but also a taste of lemon. 
>> Quite good.
>>
>> 
>>
> That's it! I couldn't remember the name.
> 
>>However, I don't like them because they are a PITA. 
>>
> ? Is this some reference I might find vulgar? :)
> Eventually things will normalize with a consistent 
>high-fibre diet, dear.
> 
>> Being a history nut 
>>(both history history and food history), I found it 
>>interesting to follow 
>>their path from deep in the Mediterranean to them being 
>>considered to 
>>somehow be credited as something English.
>> 
>>
> You might have heard the story about how Pythagoras was 
>opposed to 
> eating beans (favas, of course) and forbade all his 
>disciples to eat 
> them as well. It's been speculated that he had favism 
>(a severe allergy 
> to them).
> 
> I'm not sure when the first crop was harvested in 
>England, but it would 
> not surprise me if it was in Roman times or earlier. 
> That was several 
> cultures ago, in human terms. So that makes about as 
>native an English 
> food as need be, since the typical person would not 
>think of their 
> broadbeans as Mediterranean, after such as long time. 
> For instance, if 
> you look at the different words for turkey, you can see 
>that absolutely 
> no folk wisdom about the origin of foods can be taken 
>seriously; 
> continental Europeans thought that turkeys came from 
>India (and all this 
> confusion came about within only a few centuries). 
> People don't eat 
> favas as much in England today, but if you believe John 
>Seymour, they 
> were once as common a food item among the peasantry as 
>"habas" in Spain 
> or favas in Italy. He even admits to eating small 
>favas, skins and all.
> 
> Bill
> S. Oregon coast
> 
> 
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:45:16 EDT
From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Ethnicity (was Tortillas)
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> Is there some secret to 
> successful favas? 

Plant them in very cold weather. They don't do well when it warms up. 

>Why would a seed company be so stingy?

> 
No doubt one of those "more money than you have sense" seed companies. Many 
companies have a fixed weight of bean seeds you will get and if that comes to 
300 turtle bean seeds, then the same weight is only ten fava beans and so 
sorry, that's what you get.

Best, I have found, to stay away from seedsmen for bean seeds. Instead buy 
beans and plant them. Most health food stores and bulk stores carry or can 
get 
dried fava beans. Just make sure you are getting whole beans and not the 
split hulled beans.

Here is another source I've used many times:

http://www.purcellmountainfarms.com

A pound of fava beans is just under $4. I've grown at least 20 different 
kinds of beans from this supplier and all had high germination rates.



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:03:44 -0500
From: 
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Hi CLHW,

I'm not familiar with the TexasOutback list, is its focus 
similar? My husband Rick and I are on the other side of 
the protrusion of Mexico into Texas from Terlingua, which 
is also beautiful country. As the crow flies we could be 
there in about five hours (which isn't bad in Texas terms 
as you know), but as the car drives it takes us an entire 
day. We are just shy of the 100th meridian, which I 
understand is where "the West" in our nation officially 
starts. So, you could say we are in the western most part 
of the southeast where you and Bev live. Howdy neighbor!

We do share many of the same Trans-Pecos/Chihuauan desert 
plants you'd find in Terlingua (cacti, yucca, sotol, 
agave, etc.), but we also have the Taumalipan Brushland 
plants (mas plantas espinosas) coming up from Mexico, but 
most predominantly Edwards Plateau "Hill Country" plants 
(neat plants).

Just like Terlingua (once was) our small community could 
also be considered a ghost town. Our house was the post 
office for several decades and before that the land had a 
blacksmith shop with the wagon road (now diverted) across 
our creek. The old school crumbles next door, and one 
neighbor in her 80's five miles away remembers riding her 
horse to school up my creek, pointing to the tree she used 
to tie it up to.

It's hard to believe, but UPS and FedEx deliver here. 
Before the EMS service gave us an official address, we 
used to put the driving directions into the address line 
whenever we ordered anything. So with DSL I think 
possibilities are opening up. I've done some nature tours, 
which are most lucrative in the spring when it's still 
cool and everything is in bloom, but that's also prime 
gardening time. I am also certified to teach kayaking, but 
with global warming and a long drought I haven't wanted to 
scrape the bottom of my boat.

--Sage
wayout in Texas


On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:20:49 -0400
clhw AT infoave.net (clhw) wrote:
> Rick -- Welcome to the list.
> Are you on the Terlingua Ranch? I'm on the TexasOutback 
>list.
> Both my parents grew up not far from there and my 
>brother worked in the Big
> Bend Park for a couple of years long ago.
> 
> We are somewhat remote -- it's called rural here and we 
>can't see the
> houses of any neighbors but are only 5 minutes from a 
>small township and 15
> minutes for our county seat. We're in the southeast not 
>too many hours
> distance from Bev.
> 
> If you are able to raise veggies, fruit, and maybe 
>livestock (like birds,
> goats, and/or eggs) and you live on Terlingua, I suspect 
>there would be
> customers near you. Also, you could put trade/swap and 
>sale notices at the
> lodge, if there is a community bulletin board. Maybe you 
>could start one.
> 
> If you're at TR, possibly a regular patrol of properties 
>owned by absentees
> or shopping trips for others, on commission, would be 
>additional money
> raisers.
> 
> Then there is Internet sales, which are lucrative for 
>some, but might be
> affected by available shipping. UPS will come to your 
>home here, as will
> DHL, and a couple of other private delivery services.
> 
> Possible tours of visitors, with identification of 
>native plants and
> animals could be done for money.
> 
> Welcome.
> 
>>Hello all,
>>
>>Joined your list this week. I have been homesteading for
>>six years on five diverse acres in a canyon in southwest
>>Texas. There are only 4.4 people per square mile here--an
>>hour from Mexico, but a day's drive to any other state.
>>There is no radio, tv, or cell phone reception because of
>>the mountains, but thankfully we now have DSL. I don't
>>know how many of you live in a remote area, but isn't it
>>great to have an Internet community?
>>
> 
> snip
> 
>>Before leaving the city behind, I was a professional
>>botanist and a graphic artist for two decades. My husband
>>teaches at the area rural school, and we have a small
>>organic vegetable and egg business, selling mostly to
>>locals.
>>
>>I would be interested in learning ways other homesteaders
>>have found to create sideline income. Our friends have
>>tried selling at a farmer's market, but can't break even
>>due to time & travel costs. Many families vacation here 
>>in
>>the summer, if I had a product or two to sell, and of
>>course there is selling on the Internet, eBay etc.
>>Suggestions, ideas?
>>
>>As for contribution, I might be able to help on plant
>>questions, and perhaps provide encouragement to those not
>>yet living their dream.
>>
>>Sage (& Rick)
>>way out in Texas
> 
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:11:58 -0500
From: 
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Ethnicity (was Tortillas)
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Thanks for the bean suggestion and referral. Maybe that's 
THE problem--we only have two seasons here--summer and 
January. I am trying several types of long season gourds 
this year, and have just the welded pipe fence to support 
them. I grew luffa sponges a couple years ago and now have 
a lifetime supply (as do our neighbors). I was thinking I 
might be able to do something with them artistically for 
extra income.

--Sage

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:45:16 EDT
Clansgian AT wmconnect.com wrote:
> 
> 
>> Is there some secret to 
>> successful favas? 
> 
> Plant them in very cold weather. They don't do well 
>when it warms up. 
> 
>>Why would a seed company be so stingy?
> 
>> 
> No doubt one of those "more money than you have sense" 
>seed companies. Many 
> companies have a fixed weight of bean seeds you will get 
>and if that comes to 
> 300 turtle bean seeds, then the same weight is only ten 
>fava beans and so 
> sorry, that's what you get.
> 
> Best, I have found, to stay away from seedsmen for bean 
>seeds. Instead buy 
> beans and plant them. Most health food stores and bulk 
>stores carry or can get 
> dried fava beans. Just make sure you are getting whole 
>beans and not the 
> split hulled beans.
> 
> Here is another source I've used many times:
> 
> http://www.purcellmountainfarms.com
> 
> A pound of fava beans is just under $4. I've grown at 
>least 20 different 
> kinds of beans from this supplier and all had high 
>germination rates.
> 
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:53:34 -0700
From: Bill Jones 
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Ethnicity (was Tortillas)
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eureka AT hctc.net wrote:

>I would think, given their history, they might like 
>our sun and arid climate. Is there some secret to 
>successful favas?
>
We tried growing a spring-planted patch just once, and black aphids just 
ate them up. Later I noticed that John Seymour and Steve Solomon both 
mentioned the same thing.

Can you imagine the delight of people in the far north to find out that 
favas would overwinter? They're good down to about 15 deg. F.

If I remember correctly, they're actually non-native to just about 
everywhere but the Nile delta. It's hard to picture one reseeding 
itself without sandy soil. In this environment their tendency to fall 
over would allow the pointy tips of the haulms to penetrate the sand. 
Fortunately Egypt can have an occasional freeze, unlike Central America, 
where most other beans are from, so they're hardy.

If you click repeatedly on the right arrow at the page where I posted 
the Claytonia picture, you'll shortly arrive at a picture of some white 
beany flowers with black spots, taken on Easter. You can see the 
horizontal re-bar frame that we install to keep them from falling over 
in the wind.

Oh God, the JWs just came up onto my sunporch. I should have crouched 
down and hidden behind the big kerosene lamp here on the table. I 
really need to put up a sign or something. There's no way to lock all 3 
sunporch doors without locking myself out.

Bill
S. Oregon coast


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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:10:12 -0800
From: "Lynda" 
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Ethnicity (was Tortillas)
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Pain In The Ass PITA. I don't like having to shell, then blanch, then 
shell again.

The reason being that I have severe arthritis and carpel tunnel. The 
arthritis is due to loosing an argument but winning the war with a horse 
(1600#) that didn't want to go into a horse trailer and the carpel 
tunnel is due to spending a lot of years doing document production on a 
computer.

Maybe I'll see if DH would like to be in charge of the Fava double duty 
After all, he's Italian and I could tell him it's an ethnic thing 

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Jones" 


>>
> That's it! I couldn't remember the name.
>
>>However, I don't like them because they are a PITA. 
>>
> ? Is this some reference I might find vulgar? :)
> Eventually things will normalize with a consistent high-fibre diet, dear.



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Sage, I forget to tell you (in the personal mail) that I am in NW 
Georgia, near the TN and AL state lines...Ridge and Valley ecosystem of 
the Appalachians..

Bev

eureka AT hctc.net wrote:
> Bev,
> 
> I'd certainly be willing to try. I did national plant 
> identification and research for three years, but then I 
> had 5,000 field guides and plant keys at my fingertips! 
> Remind me again what state or ecosystem you are in when 
> you send the pic.
> 
> --Sage
> way out in Texas
> 
> 
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:08:03 -0400
>   EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> --Sage
>>> way out in Texas
>>
>> Sage, if I sent you photos of a plant, do you think you 
>> could help me 
>> identify it?
>>
>> Bev
>>
>> -- 
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>> somewhere in the 
>> ocean's depths, MY son is protecting YOUR freedom.
>>
>>
>>
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