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[Don Bowen <don.bowen AT earthlink.net>]

Here is how the administration is supporting the troops:


Body armor ­ Just this month we learned that a secret Pentagon study has 
found that as many as 80 percent of the marines who have been killed in 
Iraq from wounds to the upper body 
<http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/06/politics/06cnd-armor.html?ei=5088&en=b13c10bd70ee9190&ex=1294203600&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print>could 
have survived if they had had extra body armor. Such armor has been 
available since 2003, but until recently the Pentagon has largely declined 
to supply it to troops despite calls from the field for additional 
protection, according to military officials. (The administration was no 
better <http://slate.msn.com/id/2095705/>on armored humvees.)

* Compensation ­ In 2003, just five months after the invasion began, the 
Pentagon announced its intention to 
<http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/08/14/MN94780.DTL>cut 
the pay of its 148,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, who are already contending with 
guerrilla-style attacks, homesickness and 120- degree-plus heat. Troops 
stood to lose a pay increase of $75 a month in "imminent danger pay" and 
$150 a month in "family separation allowances." The Defense Department 
supported the cuts.

* Health care ­ Also in 2003, the administration announced that veterans 
who come home from Iraq will get health care from the U.S. Department of 
Veterans Affairs for two years, which 
<http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/05/25/loc_VAhealthcare.html>used to 
be a lifetime guarantee. Hundreds of thousands of veterans of earlier U.S. 
military conflicts might also no longer qualify for VA health care or might 
be forced out by rules proposed by the Bush administration to relieve an 
overburdened system. The changes would increase veterans' out-of-pocket 
costs by increasing co-payments for out-patient care and prescription 
drugs, as well as require many to pay a $250-a-year enrollment fee just to 
stay in the VA health-care system.

* Housing ­ Around the same time, President Bush 
<http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=15165>cut $1 billion 
from the budget for military family housing. Rep. David Obey (D-Wis.) asked 
GOP lawmakers to restore the funding by scaling back some of the tax cuts 
for millionaires, but they rejected his measure.

* Education ­ Bush also proposed 
<http://edworkforce.house.gov/democrats/militaryfamilydc.html>substantial 
cuts in the government's Impact Aid program, which provides badly needed 
funds to school districts that have a significant number of students from 
military families.


Don Bowen                          Awl Knotted Up
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In a message dated 1/24/2006 6:59:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
stinkfart AT gmail.com writes:

> Body armor &shy; Just this month we learned that a secret Pentagon  study
has
> found that as many as 80 percent of the marines who have  been killed in
> Iraq from wounds to the upper body


Why in the world would this be at all amazing? I wouldn't assume a lot of
leg injuries lead to death, I think that as the upper body constitutes almost
the entire "kill zone" that at least 80% of the injuries leading to death
would be in that area. Why would a "secret " study, (apparently not so 
secret)  be
required to figure this out and why would it be news. When people post
information that is basically intuitive in nature and act as if they are  
blowing
open some big secret, it really drives me nuts.



> My friends that are serving over there right now say that the civilians  and
> the news have it all wrong;  the armor in question is NOT WANTED  as it
> causes overheating, overloaded, and reduces mobility.  They do  want their
> vehicles to be better armored.


   I have a cousin and two churchmembers recently returned  and this is just
one of the
   areas the media is entirely wrong on. They also point  out that the armor
slows them down to the point that many more would be hit  because of it. In
addition, the armor stops only certain types of bullets from  certain ranges,
but most deaths have been from explosions, and shrapnel , and  many of those
shot would still have died. The vehicle armor, on the other hand,  would be
appreciated.

Drew