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["Toni Hawryluk" <tonihawr AT msn.com>]

Wendy said :
> Man is only to teach and man has the freewill to follow or not.  

The customs of society remove much of that "freewill" -
and not just the immediately visible harmful actions either.
>From tonihawr AT msn.com  Fri Nov 19 21:25:04 2004
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Australia running out of water
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Tvo said :
> There wasn't much to start with.  Need to reduce 20,000,000 population to 
> 8.000,000 ot hire aborigine tesachers to tezch surival skills---catching 
> and eating fruit bats and "Gowannas"
>
> The Christian Science Monitor - csmonitor.com 
> <http://www.csmonitor.com/index.html<http://www.csmonitor.com/index.html>> 
>
> from the November 19, 2004 edition - 
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1119/p07s01-woap.html<http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1119/p07s01-woap.html>
>  
>  Where's the water, mate? *Sydney and other Australian cities could run dry 
> by 2006.*

If industrial countries would stop washing their **it 
to 'get rid of it', civilization wouldn't come to a halt - 
and there *are* many people in many countries who 
are trying to *stop* that practice.  

Alternative methods have been printed widely including 
on this list, but zoning laws say, "Uh uh, you will *not* 
use any method of disposing of your body "wastes" but 
a city sewer system." 

And yes, I *know* dry-toilets won't work for high-rise 
buildings without great construction expense - but it's 
the re-training of their occupants' mind-sets that is 
the biggest 'stumbling block'....
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Here, I would agree with your building code guy.  All that low-level
circuitry that is always on (even when the "Power" switch is off) are a fire
trap, but that is not the same thing as leaving your battery charger plugged
in.  A battery charger is designed to deliver the high current required to
charge a dead battery.  As the battery charges, the charger needs to deliver
less and less current. A fully charged battery draws only the little bit of
current required to make up the self-discharge current of the battery, so
the charger and battery sits there idling at a small fraction of its
designed current rating.  Piece of cake for it.  On the other hand the
"always on" circuitry in many of our house hold equipment (anything with a
remote control or is functioning 24/7) is always drawing its nominal
operating current.  Since most of this stuff is made as cheap as possible,
there is not a lot of safety margin built in in these components, so there
is a higher chance of a catastrophic malfunction.  Got it?
Wendy

  >>The DeWalt guy said, no, you can just
  >>leave it in there;
  >>the battery will not overcharge and it will always be ready
  >>at top charge.

  That's good information to have. My chargers weren't on the list, but
after
  reading about how many were I decided not to take chances and leave my
  charger plugged in unattended. It's inconvenient in a way, because a fully
  charged battery will bleed down over a week or so.

  One of our local building code guys says the biggest cause of house fires
  are those blamed transformers that are all over these days. Cordless
phones,
  computer printers, etc., etc. He is the type of guy who would work for the
  code department, though, so he may be exaggerating.