Kata Markon

["Jeffrey B. Gibson" <jgibson000 AT attbi.com>]

JFAlward AT aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/21/02 8:51:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jgibson000 AT attbi.com writes:
>
> << I added some material to it. It is now at:
>
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/files/MK1438F%28
>  newHTM%29.htm >>
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> JOE ALWARD
>
> I won't have time to carefully read your new paper until later today, or
> tomorrow.  It would save readers' time if you were to tell us whether you
> only *added* material, but did not change what was already there.  If you
> only added material, would it be convenient for you to post that new 
> material
> in this forum?
>

The addition is a new consideration, based on an analysis of the Biblical data
regarding the phenomenon denoted by the term PEIRASMOS and its cognates and 
what
this says about this phenomenon's inevitability and desirability, of  why the
prayer that Jesus has the disciples pray  cannot be seen as a prayer to 
escape or
be protected from their experiencing PEIRASMOS.

It is taken and produced with some modification from a paper I gave at the 
SBL in
Orlando some years back on the meaning of Matt. 6:13//Lk. 11:4 -- the phrase 
of
the LP which Mk 14:38 parallels and probably alludes to/draws upon. You might 
want
to consider that if Mk 14:38 is an allusion to this petition, your 
interpretation
of the prayer has some serious hurdles to clear.

A draft of the paper on the PEIRASMOS petition in the LP is available online 
at:

http://www.bham.ac.uk/theology/synoptic-l/gibson.htm

And since you are noting that my views on Mk 14:38 are not without their
supporters within the professional NT guild, I hope you'll indulge (forgive)
**me** for noting that my view on the meaning of the parallel to Mk 14:38 in 
the
LP (the PEIRASMOS petition in the LP (and therefore also Matt. and Luke's 
view of
the Gethsemane prayer) -- which is that it (too) is a prayer for protection 
from
acting like "this generation" and from putting God to the test --  has been
accepted and subsequently advanced by N.T. Wright.

Yours,

JG

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