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- From: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard AT ont.com>
- To: Corpus-Paul <corpus-paul AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: RE: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?
- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:08:45 -0600
Dear Lee,
The two references cited so far with reference to Paul's view of the law (Rom.10.4; 1Cor.9.20,21) are found in letters addressed to and dealing with Gentiles. I wonder to what degree Paul thought of himself as having "become like you [Gentiles]" (e.g., 1Cor9.21; Gal4.12). This might explain why he doesn't see the need to follow this sort of laws, or what someone has termed "ceremonial" laws. (I myself do not see a splitting of the law into types: ceremonial, moral, judicial.) I do not find Paul calling for Jews to abandon the law at all. In fact, there are explicit calls for the exact opposite (e.g., 1Cor7.17-224). So, I don't see Paul doing away with the law entirely; rather, he seems to be saying that Gentiles are legit without having to follow the law, while seldom (I would say never) addressing the issue as regards Jews.
HH: No, Paul says that he is not under the law (1 Cor 9:20). He is no exception, if he isn't, no believer is. Jim seems to be misunderstanding the concept of not being under the law. It does not mean that a person no longer need obey God's moral law. It means that Christ is now the standard for one's living, not the Mosaic law. If the Holy Spirit is in a person, he will meet the righteous requirements of the law (Rom 8:4). But he will do so under the leadership of the Spirit and not as a matter of trying to satisfy the demands of the Mosaic code.
HH: The Jews are not under different requirements that the Gentiles as far as God is concerned. We are all one new man in Christ (Eph 2:15). This theory of Jews having special obligations to God now that their Gentile brothers don't have is a misunderstanding of Scripture. By the way, to read certain epistles as aimed only at Gentiles also seems a misunderstanding. Paul speaks spiritual truth that at times has special application for the Gentiles, but truth is truth. It applies to everyone. Paul does not say that circumcision means nothing only for Gentiles. He means it is not spiritually important at this point. Circumcision was a way of showing God's people as distinct from all other people by an outward sign. That was good for the time when God was working with one nation and wanted to give them a special identity as a unique nation on earth. Now God considers all people alike as potential members of the body of Christ. There is no need to mark off one particular people outwardly as unique among the nations. God is not operating that way now.
HH: When I say this, I do not mean that God has forgotten His OT promises to the Jews, or that He no longer is aware of distinctions. I mean that in this age they are not significant spiritually. This is what Paul teaches, and to say that it only applies to Gentiles is to restrict the meaning of Paul's assertions too much.
Yours,
Harold Holmyard
Yours,
Harold Holmyard
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?,
Jim West, 01/12/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?, Mark D. Nanos, 01/12/2005
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RE: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?,
Lee Dahn, 01/13/2005
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RE: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?,
Dieter Mitternacht, 01/13/2005
- RE: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 01/13/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?, Jeffrey B. Gibson, 01/13/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?, Dieter Mitternacht, 01/13/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 01/13/2005
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RE: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?,
Dieter Mitternacht, 01/13/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?, Mark D. Nanos, 01/13/2005
- [Corpus-Paul] Law-Observant Mission to the Gentiles, John Brand, 01/14/2005
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?,
Jim West, 01/12/2005
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?,
Calvin McCain, 01/12/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 01/12/2005
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?,
Mark D. Nanos, 01/13/2005
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?,
Dieter Mitternacht, 01/14/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 01/17/2005
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?,
Dieter Mitternacht, 01/14/2005
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Did Paul break the Law?, rabbisaul, 01/15/2005
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