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- From: "Dieter Mitternacht" <teol-dmi AT cassandra.net.lu.se>
- To: "Corpus-Paul" <corpus-paul AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision
- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:33:10 +0100
Please excuse me, my reply below should of course have included a NOT:
.....The observation that "was not compelled" seems somewhat redundent if
Titus actually was NOT circumcised....
- corrected below.
Dieter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dieter Mitternacht" <Dieter.Mitternacht AT teol.lu.se>
To: "Corpus-Paul" <corpus-paul AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision
> Dieter:
> > > In other words, Titus could have been circumcised for other reasons
than
> > > pressure from the pseudadelfoi and Paul's point that he did not give
in
> to
> > > the pressure from the pseudadelfoi or be compelled to circumcise his
> Greek
> > > fellow worker would still be valid.
>
> Mark:
> > I agree that we must remain open to such "other reasons," but it
> > requires a decision not to take Paul's language to mean that Titus
> > was not circumcised during this journey to Jerusalem? Is that what you
are
> > suggesting? If so, how so?
> >
>
> Mark,
> It requires that we accept that we do not know and are filling in gaps
> either way.
> I think Stephen's point about closeness to Washington DC should not be
> neglected either, however, if you remember. The observation that "was not
> compelled" seems somewhat redundent if Titus actually was not circumcised
is
> important, I think.
>
> Also the fact that the lack of clarity in terms of "victory" as you call
it
> occurs three times, may indicate that while readers may look for victory
> Paul had a different concern.
>
> This reasoning of mine, as you know, is supported, of course, by the fact
> that I do not think that issue of Galatians is circumcision: yes or no?!,
> but circumcision: for what purpose? Are the Galatian Gentile Christ
> believers wishing for circumcision, because the suffering that surgery
> entails is less painful than the ostracised situation they are in. And is
> Paul interpreting such a wish to be a denial of "Christ portrayed before
> your eyes as crucified" (3:1)?
>
> Circumcision of Gentiles in Galatia (a city environment like Corinth may
> trigger quite different reactions) had become a focal point not in and of
> itself, but because it entailed (in Paul's view) a lack of Christlikeness
in
> terms of cruciformity.
>
> Dieter
>
>
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
nanosmd, 01/08/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision, Mark Goodacre, 01/08/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
Dieter Mitternacht, 01/08/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
Mark D. Nanos, 01/08/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
Dieter Mitternacht, 01/08/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
Dieter Mitternacht, 01/08/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision, Mark D. Nanos, 01/08/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
Mark Goodacre, 01/08/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision, Dieter Mitternacht, 01/09/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
Mark D. Nanos, 01/08/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision, Dieter Mitternacht, 01/08/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
Dieter Mitternacht, 01/08/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
Dieter Mitternacht, 01/08/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision,
Mark D. Nanos, 01/08/2004
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- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Timothy/Titus and circumcision, nanosmd, 01/08/2004
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