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- From: "Liz Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>
- To: "Corpus-paul" <corpus-paul AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: RE: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?
- Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:52:31 -0400
> Liz asked,
>
> > What about the righteous gentile? When did that concept enter Jewish
> > thought? Is it post-Christian?
> >
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> As I understand Jewish proselytizing during Herod's time, Gentiles could
> indeed become circumcised and agree to Torah. Missionary effort then was
> quite extensive.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jon
No, I meant the righteous *Gentile*. He remains a Gentile but is considered
righteous. I think it's in the Talmud. But I'm wondering how early the
concept goes.
Along with this I've been wondering about the notion of Natural Law. It is a
Platonic notion I believe. Conversations recorded in the Talmud between a
rabbi and a Gentile discuss the notion of Natural Law and compare it with
the Oral Law. The concept of natural law of course preceded Paul. When Paul
discusses gentiles who are righteous naturally, could he be referring to the
Platonic concept of natural law? If so, could this Platonic concept be
Paul's source for justification without the Torah? (I'm sorry, I don't have
my NT with me at present, so I can't give you the verses where he refers to
gentiles keeping the law naturally.)
Liz
Lisbeth S. Fried
Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies
New York University
51 Washington Sq. S.
New York, NY 10012
lqf9256 AT is3.nyu.edu
lizfried AT umich.edu
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justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?,
Jeffrey B. Gibson, 06/16/1999
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jon Peter, 06/17/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Edgar Krentz, 06/17/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jeffrey B. Gibson, 06/17/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jim West, 06/17/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jeffrey B. Gibson, 06/17/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jon Peter, 06/17/1999
- RE: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Liz Fried, 06/17/1999
- RE: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jon Peter, 06/17/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, dgarlington, 06/17/1999
- RE: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Liz Fried, 06/17/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jeffrey B. Gibson, 06/17/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jeffrey B. Gibson, 06/17/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jon Peter, 06/17/1999
- RE: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jon Peter, 06/18/1999
- RE: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Liz Fried, 06/18/1999
- justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jon Peter, 06/18/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Jeff Peterson, 06/18/1999
- Justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, David C. Hindley, 06/20/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, Robert M Schacht, 06/22/1999
- Re: justification: a pre-Pauline doctrine?, George Blaisdell, 06/22/1999
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