Corpus-Paul

[Don Mills <donmil AT mx.voyager.co.nz>]

At 11:27 PM 19/05/1999 -0400, Anders Eriksson wrote:

>Dear Sheila McGinn
>
-----<snip>-----
>Maybe Conzelmann's cursory dismissal of [1 Cor.]
>14:34-35 merely on internal grounds got the whole thing going.  But I
>cannot but be suspicious when I see the correlation between the raise of
>feminism and the popularity of the interpolation theory. It just seems like
>nowadays people don't want Paul to have said what he said.
-----<end quote>-----

Extensive email problems over the past several weeks mean that I missed
Sheila's original posting.  But didn't Paul write that "in Christ there is
neither male nor female"?  Perhaps people want Paul to have *meant* what he
said.

Don Mills
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From: "Liz Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>
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Subject: RE: beginner's guide to 'new perspective' - some qns
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: moon-ryul jung [mailto:moon AT saint.soongsil.ac.kr]
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 4:16 AM
> To: Corpus-paul
> Subject: RE: beginner's guide to 'new perspective' - some qns
>
>
> On 05/19/99, ""Liz Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>" wrote:
> >

> So, I used "observing the law to stay in the covenant" to mean "
> accepting and living by the law is a sign and condition of favored
> status".
> If living by the law is a sign and condition of favored status, not living
> by the law would mean  being outside of the covenant.

You referred to p. 46 of Sanders' PPJ, and I don't see the sentence you
quote on that page. (I have the paperback version.)
In any case, the view you cite, that you must maintain the law to remain in
the covenant is the *old* view against which Sanders is arguing.  This is
against the view that the Jewish covenant is a covenant of grace, which is
the view that Sanders is trying to bring out.  I interpret this sentence of
Sanders you cite to mean an *outward* sign.  Abraham and male Jews
everywhere are circumcised as an outward sign of the covenant, not as a
condition.

Sanders stresses (p.180-182, and in fact everywhere) the Rabbinic dictum
"All Israelites have a share in the world to come."  Sanders states that to
be considered an Israelite you have to identify as one, not actively reject
it (p. 147, paperback).

 Sanders points out (p. 149) that the purpose of the rabbinic dictum "All
Israelites have a share in the world to come" is to make clear that it is
not those who follow the law who have a share, or those for whom the number
of commandments followed is greater than the number of their transgressions,
but *all* Israelites.

(This is why the question of "who is a Jew" reaches such proportions, and
why Jews want their children to be Jewish -- to *be* Jewish, not necessarily
to *act* Jewishly.  But this is what Paul says, Jews boast of the law,
without following it. I.e., they boast of membership in the covenant without
following its laws.)

Liz

>
> Cheers!
>
> Moon-Ryul Jung
> Assistant Professor
> Dept of Computer Science
> Soongsil University
> Seoul, Korea
>
Lisbeth S. Fried
Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies
New York University
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New York, NY 10012
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