RTP-area local music and culture

[david gourley <davidg.nospam.news AT verizon.net>]

minserny AT gmail.com (Michel Inserny) put forth the notion 
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> This room will only serve the band practice purpose. Yes, I would use any
> construction technique available to make the room to serve its purpose (I
> play the drums, so I need to practice without annoying neighbors, and I 
need
> to have a band practice space where I could practice for several hours at
> night, few nights a week with no issues) If I'm going to spend the money 
in
> the project I need it to work.
> 
> I didn't think of ICF before, cause somehow I thought staggered stud 
walls
> with insulation in between would provide better sound proofing than ICF.
> I'll check again though.
> 
> Since I work for a concrete contractor, the idea was to build a slab on
> grade. However, would you put any type of flooring above that (for better
> acoustics?)
> 
> Also, I wasn't thinking of having any windows and when I get to 
construction
> phase I will get all permits and stuff. Right now I'm at the engineering 
and
> design phase and the plan is to have this done by July.
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Michel



What Ross said, and bass equalization and outside transmission is your 
greatest challenge.  Here's some other good stuff -

http://www.realtraps.com/articles.htm


david







> 
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:37 AM, grady <grady AT ibiblio.org> wrote:
> 
>> One word: mass
>>
>> Another word: seal all openings (wait, that was three words)
>>
>> Do you have any intention at all of making this a multipurpose space? Do
>> you have the ability/desire to use any construction techniques available
>> to you?
>>
>> If I were building a box solely to keep sound in, I'd do the following:
>>
>> 1) slab-on-grade construction
>> 2) walls made out of ICFs (Insulating Concrete Forms):
>> http://www.forms.org/
>> 3) no windows (sorry! no view for you!)
>> 4) Doubled doors (one framed to be flush with the exterior wall & the
>> other to be flush with the interior wall) with heavy weatherstripping
>>
>> The roof/ceiling structure might actually be trickiest, but if you use
>> double drywall on the ceiling & then load up on the insulation above,
>> you'd probably be OK.
>>
>> If you're just looking for *attenuation* as opposed to major
>> soundproofing, then you can start eliminating items from that list.
>>
>> You still have to adhere to the basic rules of thumb, though: sound is
>> going to exit the structure either through holes (even tiny ones) or by
>> vibrating the walls of the structure itself. So you have to seal all the
>> holes, and you have to make the walls of the structure massive enough
>> that your drums/amps can't effectively make them vibrate. Or decouple
>> the interior & exterior walls enough that if the interior ones vibrate,
>> the exterior ones don't.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> James Hepler wrote:
>> > OK, so you're building a structure from scratch, and you have all
>> necessary
>> > permits and everything?  I just want to be clear that what I'm 
picturing
>> in
>> > my head is what you have in mind.
>> >
>> > * Windows:  The single best way to limit the amount of sound that
>> permeates
>> > will be number and sizes of windows.  If you can limit that, you're 
off
>> to a
>> > great start.  but then you have climate control to think about.  So
>> planning
>> > is obviously key.
>> >
>> > I really hope I'm not sounding condescending.  I'm thinking in print.
>> >
>> > * If you're building from scratch, you have the luxury of putting most 
of
>> > your sound dampening material inside the walls.  I would think that 
some
>> > good, dense insulation would be pretty much all you need in order to 
keep
>> > sound in.  I mean, I practice in my guest room, and while neighbors 
two
>> > doors down can hear THAT we're practicing when they're in their back
>> yards,
>> > nothing makes it through both sets of walls, and I have crappy 
insulation
>> if
>> > I have any at all.
>> >
>> > It seems like it would be pretty easy to get your outside walls put up
>> and
>> > insulation installed and then test it out.
>> >
>> > I don't think it would take much to get everything within the 
parameters
>> of
>> > local ordinances. This is all I can think of, and others are way smart
>> and
>> > more experienced when it comes to this stuff than me.  Listen to them.
>> Good
>> > luck!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Michel Inserny <minserny AT gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good morning fellas,
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure this has been discussed in the past, but I'm trying to get 
some
>> >> help building a band practice space in my back yard. Has anybody done
>> >> something similar that can give me some contacts, web links, 
telephone
>> >> numbers, etc to get some advice as of what's the best way to sound
>> >> attenuate/proof new construction so my neighbors dont complain when I
>> play
>> >> music in that room?
>> >>
>> >> This will be a new, independent building that will be a little more 
than
>> >> 100
>> >> ft away from any neighbor, and I need to make 100% sure it works for 
the
>> >> purpose.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Michel
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