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  • From: Jonathan Mitchell <website3 AT jonathanmitchell.info>
  • To: Julian Elve <julian.elve AT gmail.com>, Creative Commons UK <cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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  • Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] CC England and Wales licences online for checking
  • Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:20:52 +0000

No, it isn't right- I wonder, Prodromos and Damian, if it would not be
better if these texts were now withdrawn for proofreading and correction,
and only then re-released for checking as suggested by Christain Ahlert on
Wednesday, rather than people going through them as at present? These points
don't seem to be to do with the use of XHTML at all.

There is a story about this at
http://management.silicon.com/government/0,39024677,39128794,00.htm which
doesn't seem to be entirely correct. Are these really going to be published
"in a few days"?

Jonathan
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> From: Julian Elve <julian.elve AT gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Julian Elve <julian.elve AT gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:38:37 +0000
> To: Creative Commons UK <cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] CC England and Wales licences online for checking
>
> Again, not a lawyer, but on the Attribution - Non-Commercial -
> NoDerivs (http://users.ox.ac.uk/~inet0009/creative_commons/by-nd-nc.html)
> it says...
>
> (2.1) You may [..] create one or more Derivative Works; [...] However
> you must not [...] make any Derivative Works;
>
> Is this right?
>
> regards
>
> Julian Elve
> www.synesthesia.co.uk
>
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:37:37 +0000, Bernard Hurley
> <bernard AT fong-hurley.org.uk> wrote:
>> I am not a lawyer so I might just be confused, but I had expected the
>> "Attribution - Share-Alike" to allow derivative works to be made but to
>> impose the restriction that they had to be licences under the same
>> licence (i.e. to impose a "copyleft" restriction in the way that the GPL
>> does for software). However the licence says:
>> "You must not: ... make any Derivative Works;"
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Bernard
>>
>> On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 11:24 +0100, Christian Ahlert wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally after 16th months we are there!
>>>
>>>
>>> You can find the CC England and Wales licences online
>>> at
>>> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~inet0009/creative_commons/
>>>
>>>
>>> Before they go finally on the Creative Commons website pls help us
>>> reviewing the licences for mistakes, problems with numbering
>>> etc...which might have occurred during the creation of the different
>>> versions in XHTML.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> --Ch
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 16 Mar 2005 um 10:38 hat Jonathan Mitchell geschrieben:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Sylvia,
>>>>
>>>> The launch is not of UK licences, but of licences for England and
>>>> Wales. There are three distinct legal jurisdictions in the UK and
>>> any
>>>> given licence has to be jurisdiction-specific. It is hard to find
>>> out
>>>> about the English/Welsh licences, which have not been published
>>>> although I am sure they are very good, but I can say as joint
>>> project
>>>> leader with Hector MacQueen that the current draft of the Scottish
>>>> licenses can be reached at
>>>> http://www.jonathanmitchell.info/informationlaw.html . It is the
>>>> project intention to go live in the next few weeks, with a view to a
>>>> speedy release.
>>>>
>>>> I would be very happy to deal with further inquiries- please give
>>> me
>>>> a ring if you like at 0773 963 9343- I'm free until 1245 and
>>> possibly
>>>> after lunch. Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
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>>>>
>>>>> From: "Sylvia Carr" <scarr AT silicon.com>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:39:09 -0000
>>>>> To: <cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Cc-uk] RE: Cc-uk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 10
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a member of the press and I'm looking for someone who can
>>>>> explain more about the new Creative Commons UK licenses for a
>>>>> potential story. Ideally I'm looking to talk to someone today (16
>>>>> March).
>>>>>
>>>>> You can reach me at: scarr AT silicon.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia Carr
>>>>> Analysis & Reports Editor
>>>>> silicon.com
>>>>> *************************
>>>>> silicon.com is part of CNET Networks UK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Re: Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's Creative
>>>>> Commons license (Christian Ahlert)
>>>>> 2. Re: Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's Creative
>>>>> Commons license (Desiree Miloshevic)
>>>>> 3. Creative Commons Symposium May 6th (Neil Leyton)
>>>>> 4. Re: Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's Creative
>>>>> Commons license (Paul Miller)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:31:52 +0000 (GMT)
>>>>> From: Christian Ahlert
>>>>> <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's
>>>>> Creative Commons license To: Desiree Miloshevic
>>>>> <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info> Cc: p.miller AT jisc.ac.uk, prodromos
>>>>> Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT socio-legal-studies.oxford.ac.uk>,
>>>>> Christian Ahlert
>>> <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>,
>>>>> lessig AT pobox.com, ronaldo Lemos <rlemos AT fgv.br>,
>>>>> gwendolyn.carpenter AT gov3.co.uk, cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org,
>>>>> cc-uk-coord AT lists.okfn.org, kenneth Cukier
>>>>> <KennethCukier AT economist.com> Message-ID:
>>>>> <20050312173152.287E7131AB AT webmail221.herald.ox.ac.uk>
>>> Content-Type:
>>>>> text/plain
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed this is what I meant, the CC licenses for Wales and England
>>>>> are ready and about to go on the website.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a foreigner from the continent I get still somewehat confused
>>>>> about the whole UK/England/Scotland/Britain situation...;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Desiree and Paul for correcting me.
>>>>>
>>>>> In message <42323321.1020208 AT afilias.info> Desiree Miloshevic
>>>>> <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info> writes:
>>>>>> I think that Christian meant the arrival of one of the UK CC
>>>>>> licenses - i.e. the CC license for England (and Wales?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Desiree
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Miller wrote:
>>>>>>> "the arrival of the UK creative commons licences" ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have I missed something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting Christian Ahlert
>>>>> <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry: the date is Wednesday the 16th
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 10 Mar 2005 um 6:11 hat Cory Doctorow geschrieben:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's the date, Christian?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Christian Ahlert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------Friends of Creative Commons---------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let us raise a glass to the arrival of the UK creative
>>> commons
>>>>>>>>>> licences, and start to ask the question - What does the
>>>>>>>>>> Creative Commons mean for artists in the UK?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- We are happy to announce that John Perry Barlow, digerati
>>>>>>>>>> and friend of CC, will be with us to celebrate this event.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- We will be meeting at the wonderful October Gallery in
>>>>>>>>>> Bloomsbury to mark the day with some poignant speeches and
>>> good
>>>>> wine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Coordinates & Logistics:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The event will start 6pm and we can chat until 9:30pm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can find a map showing how to get to the gallery at:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theoctobergallery.com/OG-Map.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The event is jointly organized by William Heath and Christian
>>>>>>>>>> Ahlert (pls RSVP back to me)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -------PLS distribute widely---------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:09:05 +0000
>>>>> From: Desiree Miloshevic <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's
>>>>> Creative Commons license To: p.miller AT jisc.ac.uk Cc:
>>> prodromos
>>>>> Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT socio-legal-studies.oxford.ac.uk>,
>>>>> Christian Ahlert
>>> <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>,
>>>>> lessig AT pobox.com, ronaldo Lemos <rlemos AT fgv.br>,
>>>>> gwendolyn.carpenter AT gov3.co.uk, cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org,
>>>>> cc-uk-coord AT lists.okfn.org, kenneth Cukier
>>>>> <KennethCukier AT economist.com> Message-ID:
>>>>> <42323321.1020208 AT afilias.info> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>>>> charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that Christian meant the arrival of one of the UK CC
>>>>> licenses - i.e. the CC license for England (and Wales?).
>>>>>
>>>>> Desiree
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Miller wrote:
>>>>>> "the arrival of the UK creative commons licences" ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have I missed something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting Christian Ahlert
>>>>> <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry: the date is Wednesday the 16th
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 10 Mar 2005 um 6:11 hat Cory Doctorow geschrieben:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's the date, Christian?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Christian Ahlert wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------Friends of Creative Commons---------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let us raise a glass to the arrival of the UK creative commons
>>>>>>>>> licences, and start to ask the question - What does the
>>> Creative
>>>>>>>>> Commons mean for artists in the UK?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- We are happy to announce that John Perry Barlow, digerati
>>> and
>>>>>>>>> friend of CC, will be with us to celebrate this event.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- We will be meeting at the wonderful October Gallery in
>>>>>>>>> Bloomsbury
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to mark the day with some poignant speeches and good wine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Coordinates & Logistics:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The event will start 6pm and we can chat until 9:30pm.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can find a map showing how to get to the gallery at:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.theoctobergallery.com/OG-Map.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The event is jointly organized by William Heath and Christian
>>>>>>>>> Ahlert
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (pls RSVP back to me)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------PLS distribute widely---------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Cc-uk mailing list
>>>>>>> Cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-uk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:45:14 +0400
>>>>> From: Neil Leyton <nleyton AT gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [Cc-uk] Creative Commons Symposium May 6th
>>>>> To: "ioana.bala AT utoronto.ca" <ioana.bala AT utoronto.ca>,
>>> "\"Fading
>>>>> Ways Records UK\"" <ashlyneaton AT fadingways.co.uk> Message-ID:
>>>>> <24cd59d205031500451c1acacc AT mail.gmail.com> Content-Type:
>>>>> text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to take this opportunity to inform and invite you to a
>>>>> Symposium that is being planned jointly by fading ways music and
>>>>> brighton's loca records. More info at:
>>>>>
>>>>> www.musiccommons.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Friday May 6th 2005, University of Sussex. UK.
>>>>>
>>>>> "A one day symposium to bring together people involved both in
>>>>> theory and practice of peer-produced commons production. Including
>>>>> Creative Commons, open source and Free/Libre Culture. Ideas,
>>>>> strategies and tactics, from releasing music to sharing and
>>> remixing
>>>>> work - and how to make new commons-based business models function
>>>>> alongside the present music industry model and its increasingly
>>>>> restrictive legal environment."
>>>>>
>>>>> You can register online for the event, and make suggestions as to
>>>>> the still-being-developed agenda. Should you be interested in
>>>>> speaking at the event, please e-mail myself or David.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Neil Leyton
>>>>> Fading Ways
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> www.fadingways.co.uk
>>>>> www.fadingwaysmusic.com
>>>>> www.soulrevolutionaries.org/leyton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:02:43 +0000
>>>>> From: Paul Miller <P.Miller AT hull.ac.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's
>>>>> Creative Commons license To: Christian Ahlert
>>>>> <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk> Cc: prodromos
>>>>> Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT socio-legal-studies.oxford.ac.uk>,
>>>>> lessig AT pobox.com, ronaldo Lemos <rlemos AT fgv.br>, desiree
>>>>> Miloshevic <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info>, cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org,
>>>>> cc-uk-coord AT lists.okfn.org, gwendolyn.carpenter AT gov3.co.uk,
>>>>> kenneth Cukier <KennethCukier AT economist.com> Message-ID:
>>>>> <1110578563.42321583416f8 AT webmail2.hull.ac.uk> Content-Type:
>>>>> text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>> "the arrival of the UK creative commons licences" ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have I missed something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Christian Ahlert
>>>>> <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry: the date is Wednesday the 16th
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 10 Mar 2005 um 6:11 hat Cory Doctorow geschrieben:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's the date, Christian?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Christian Ahlert wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------Friends of Creative Commons---------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let us raise a glass to the arrival of the UK creative commons
>>>>>>>> licences, and start to ask the question - What does the
>>> Creative
>>>>>>>> Commons mean for artists in the UK?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- We are happy to announce that John Perry Barlow, digerati
>>> and
>>>>>>>> friend of CC, will be with us to celebrate this event.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- We will be meeting at the wonderful October Gallery in
>>>>> Bloomsbury
>>>>>>>> to mark the day with some poignant speeches and good wine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Coordinates & Logistics:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The event will start 6pm and we can chat until 9:30pm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can find a map showing how to get to the gallery at:
>>>>>>>> http://www.theoctobergallery.com/OG-Map.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The event is jointly organized by William Heath and Christian
>>>>> Ahlert
>>>>>>>> (pls RSVP back to me)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------PLS distribute widely---------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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