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  • From: Bernard Hurley <bernard AT fong-hurley.org.uk>
  • To: Christian Ahlert <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>
  • Cc: Creative Commons UK <cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] CC England and Wales licences online for checking
  • Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:37:37 +0000

I am not a lawyer so I might just be confused, but I had expected the
"Attribution - Share-Alike" to allow derivative works to be made but to
impose the restriction that they had to be licences under the same
licence (i.e. to impose a "copyleft" restriction in the way that the GPL
does for software). However the licence says:
"You must not: ... make any Derivative Works;"

Regards

Bernard

On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 11:24 +0100, Christian Ahlert wrote:
> Hi all
>
>
> Finally after 16th months we are there!
>
>
> You can find the CC England and Wales licences online
> at
> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~inet0009/creative_commons/
>
>
> Before they go finally on the Creative Commons website pls help us
> reviewing the licences for mistakes, problems with numbering
> etc...which might have occurred during the creation of the different
> versions in XHTML.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
> --Ch
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 16 Mar 2005 um 10:38 hat Jonathan Mitchell geschrieben:
>
>
> > Dear Sylvia,
> >
> > The launch is not of UK licences, but of licences for England and
> > Wales. There are three distinct legal jurisdictions in the UK and
> any
> > given licence has to be jurisdiction-specific. It is hard to find
> out
> > about the English/Welsh licences, which have not been published
> > although I am sure they are very good, but I can say as joint
> project
> > leader with Hector MacQueen that the current draft of the Scottish
> > licenses can be reached at
> > http://www.jonathanmitchell.info/informationlaw.html . It is the
> > project intention to go live in the next few weeks, with a view to a
> > speedy release.
> >
> > I would be very happy to deal with further inquiries- please give
> me
> > a ring if you like at 0773 963 9343- I'm free until 1245 and
> possibly
> > after lunch. Best wishes
> >
> > Jonathan
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> >
> > > From: "Sylvia Carr" <scarr AT silicon.com>
> > > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:39:09 -0000
> > > To: <cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Subject: [Cc-uk] RE: Cc-uk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 10
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm a member of the press and I'm looking for someone who can
> > > explain more about the new Creative Commons UK licenses for a
> > > potential story. Ideally I'm looking to talk to someone today (16
> > > March).
> > >
> > > You can reach me at: scarr AT silicon.com
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > > Sylvia Carr
> > > Analysis & Reports Editor
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > cc-uk-request AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> > > 1. Re: Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's Creative
> > > Commons license (Christian Ahlert)
> > > 2. Re: Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's Creative
> > > Commons license (Desiree Miloshevic)
> > > 3. Creative Commons Symposium May 6th (Neil Leyton)
> > > 4. Re: Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's Creative
> > > Commons license (Paul Miller)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:31:52 +0000 (GMT)
> > > From: Christian Ahlert
> > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>
> > > Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's
> > > Creative Commons license To: Desiree Miloshevic
> > > <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info> Cc: p.miller AT jisc.ac.uk, prodromos
> > > Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT socio-legal-studies.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > Christian Ahlert
> <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > lessig AT pobox.com, ronaldo Lemos <rlemos AT fgv.br>,
> > > gwendolyn.carpenter AT gov3.co.uk, cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org,
> > > cc-uk-coord AT lists.okfn.org, kenneth Cukier
> > > <KennethCukier AT economist.com> Message-ID:
> > > <20050312173152.287E7131AB AT webmail221.herald.ox.ac.uk>
> Content-Type:
> > > text/plain
> > >
> > > Indeed this is what I meant, the CC licenses for Wales and England
> > > are ready and about to go on the website.
> > >
> > > As a foreigner from the continent I get still somewehat confused
> > > about the whole UK/England/Scotland/Britain situation...;-)
> > >
> > > Thanks Desiree and Paul for correcting me.
> > >
> > > In message <42323321.1020208 AT afilias.info> Desiree Miloshevic
> > > <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info> writes:
> > >> I think that Christian meant the arrival of one of the UK CC
> > >> licenses - i.e. the CC license for England (and Wales?).
> > >>
> > >> Desiree
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Paul Miller wrote:
> > >>> "the arrival of the UK creative commons licences" ?
> > >>>
> > >>> Have I missed something?
> > >>>
> > >>> Paul
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Quoting Christian Ahlert
> > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Sorry: the date is Wednesday the 16th
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Am 10 Mar 2005 um 6:11 hat Cory Doctorow geschrieben:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> What's the date, Christian?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Christian Ahlert wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> ------------Friends of Creative Commons---------------
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Let us raise a glass to the arrival of the UK creative
> commons
> > >>>>>> licences, and start to ask the question - What does the
> > >>>>>> Creative Commons mean for artists in the UK?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -- We are happy to announce that John Perry Barlow, digerati
> > >>>>>> and friend of CC, will be with us to celebrate this event.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -- We will be meeting at the wonderful October Gallery in
> > >>>>>> Bloomsbury to mark the day with some poignant speeches and
> good
> > > wine.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Coordinates & Logistics:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The event will start 6pm and we can chat until 9:30pm.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You can find a map showing how to get to the gallery at:
> > >>>>>> http://www.theoctobergallery.com/OG-Map.htm
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The event is jointly organized by William Heath and Christian
> > >>>>>> Ahlert (pls RSVP back to me)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -------PLS distribute widely---------------------------------
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> Cc-uk mailing list
> > >>>> Cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >>>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-uk
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:09:05 +0000
> > > From: Desiree Miloshevic <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info>
> > > Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's
> > > Creative Commons license To: p.miller AT jisc.ac.uk Cc:
> prodromos
> > > Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT socio-legal-studies.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > Christian Ahlert
> <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > lessig AT pobox.com, ronaldo Lemos <rlemos AT fgv.br>,
> > > gwendolyn.carpenter AT gov3.co.uk, cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org,
> > > cc-uk-coord AT lists.okfn.org, kenneth Cukier
> > > <KennethCukier AT economist.com> Message-ID:
> > > <42323321.1020208 AT afilias.info> Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > >
> > > I think that Christian meant the arrival of one of the UK CC
> > > licenses - i.e. the CC license for England (and Wales?).
> > >
> > > Desiree
> > > --
> > >
> > > Paul Miller wrote:
> > >> "the arrival of the UK creative commons licences" ?
> > >>
> > >> Have I missed something?
> > >>
> > >> Paul
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Quoting Christian Ahlert
> > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Sorry: the date is Wednesday the 16th
> > >>>
> > >>> Am 10 Mar 2005 um 6:11 hat Cory Doctorow geschrieben:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> What's the date, Christian?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Christian Ahlert wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> ------------Friends of Creative Commons---------------
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Let us raise a glass to the arrival of the UK creative commons
> > >>>>> licences, and start to ask the question - What does the
> Creative
> > >>>>> Commons mean for artists in the UK?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -- We are happy to announce that John Perry Barlow, digerati
> and
> > >>>>> friend of CC, will be with us to celebrate this event.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -- We will be meeting at the wonderful October Gallery in
> > >>>>> Bloomsbury
> > >
> > >>>>> to mark the day with some poignant speeches and good wine.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Coordinates & Logistics:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The event will start 6pm and we can chat until 9:30pm.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You can find a map showing how to get to the gallery at:
> > >>>>> http://www.theoctobergallery.com/OG-Map.htm
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The event is jointly organized by William Heath and Christian
> > >>>>> Ahlert
> > >
> > >>>>> (pls RSVP back to me)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -------PLS distribute widely---------------------------------
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Cc-uk mailing list
> > >>> Cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-uk
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:45:14 +0400
> > > From: Neil Leyton <nleyton AT gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [Cc-uk] Creative Commons Symposium May 6th
> > > To: "ioana.bala AT utoronto.ca" <ioana.bala AT utoronto.ca>,
> "\"Fading
> > > Ways Records UK\"" <ashlyneaton AT fadingways.co.uk> Message-ID:
> > > <24cd59d205031500451c1acacc AT mail.gmail.com> Content-Type:
> > > text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > Greetings everyone,
> > >
> > > I'd like to take this opportunity to inform and invite you to a
> > > Symposium that is being planned jointly by fading ways music and
> > > brighton's loca records. More info at:
> > >
> > > www.musiccommons.org
> > >
> > > Friday May 6th 2005, University of Sussex. UK.
> > >
> > > "A one day symposium to bring together people involved both in
> > > theory and practice of peer-produced commons production. Including
> > > Creative Commons, open source and Free/Libre Culture. Ideas,
> > > strategies and tactics, from releasing music to sharing and
> remixing
> > > work - and how to make new commons-based business models function
> > > alongside the present music industry model and its increasingly
> > > restrictive legal environment."
> > >
> > > You can register online for the event, and make suggestions as to
> > > the still-being-developed agenda. Should you be interested in
> > > speaking at the event, please e-mail myself or David.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Neil Leyton
> > > Fading Ways
> > >
> > > --
> > > www.fadingways.co.uk
> > > www.fadingwaysmusic.com
> > > www.soulrevolutionaries.org/leyton
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:02:43 +0000
> > > From: Paul Miller <P.Miller AT hull.ac.uk>
> > > Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's
> > > Creative Commons license To: Christian Ahlert
> > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk> Cc: prodromos
> > > Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT socio-legal-studies.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > lessig AT pobox.com, ronaldo Lemos <rlemos AT fgv.br>, desiree
> > > Miloshevic <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info>, cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org,
> > > cc-uk-coord AT lists.okfn.org, gwendolyn.carpenter AT gov3.co.uk,
> > > kenneth Cukier <KennethCukier AT economist.com> Message-ID:
> > > <1110578563.42321583416f8 AT webmail2.hull.ac.uk> Content-Type:
> > > text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > "the arrival of the UK creative commons licences" ?
> > >
> > > Have I missed something?
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Christian Ahlert
> > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>:
> > >
> > >> Sorry: the date is Wednesday the 16th
> > >>
> > >> Am 10 Mar 2005 um 6:11 hat Cory Doctorow geschrieben:
> > >>
> > >>> What's the date, Christian?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Christian Ahlert wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> ------------Friends of Creative Commons---------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Let us raise a glass to the arrival of the UK creative commons
> > >>>> licences, and start to ask the question - What does the
> Creative
> > >>>> Commons mean for artists in the UK?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -- We are happy to announce that John Perry Barlow, digerati
> and
> > >>>> friend of CC, will be with us to celebrate this event.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -- We will be meeting at the wonderful October Gallery in
> > > Bloomsbury
> > >>>> to mark the day with some poignant speeches and good wine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Coordinates & Logistics:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The event will start 6pm and we can chat until 9:30pm.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You can find a map showing how to get to the gallery at:
> > >>>> http://www.theoctobergallery.com/OG-Map.htm
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The event is jointly organized by William Heath and Christian
> > > Ahlert
> > >>>> (pls RSVP back to me)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -------PLS distribute widely---------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Cc-uk mailing list
> > >> Cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-uk
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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