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  • From: Julian Elve <julian.elve AT gmail.com>
  • To: Creative Commons UK <cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] CC England and Wales licences online for checking
  • Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:38:37 +0000

Again, not a lawyer, but on the Attribution - Non-Commercial -
NoDerivs (http://users.ox.ac.uk/~inet0009/creative_commons/by-nd-nc.html)
it says...

(2.1) You may [..] create one or more Derivative Works; [...] However
you must not [...] make any Derivative Works;

Is this right?

regards

Julian Elve
www.synesthesia.co.uk

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:37:37 +0000, Bernard Hurley
<bernard AT fong-hurley.org.uk> wrote:
> I am not a lawyer so I might just be confused, but I had expected the
> "Attribution - Share-Alike" to allow derivative works to be made but to
> impose the restriction that they had to be licences under the same
> licence (i.e. to impose a "copyleft" restriction in the way that the GPL
> does for software). However the licence says:
> "You must not: ... make any Derivative Works;"
>
> Regards
>
> Bernard
>
> On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 11:24 +0100, Christian Ahlert wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> >
> > Finally after 16th months we are there!
> >
> >
> > You can find the CC England and Wales licences online
> > at
> > http://users.ox.ac.uk/~inet0009/creative_commons/
> >
> >
> > Before they go finally on the Creative Commons website pls help us
> > reviewing the licences for mistakes, problems with numbering
> > etc...which might have occurred during the creation of the different
> > versions in XHTML.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > --Ch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 16 Mar 2005 um 10:38 hat Jonathan Mitchell geschrieben:
> >
> >
> > > Dear Sylvia,
> > >
> > > The launch is not of UK licences, but of licences for England and
> > > Wales. There are three distinct legal jurisdictions in the UK and
> > any
> > > given licence has to be jurisdiction-specific. It is hard to find
> > out
> > > about the English/Welsh licences, which have not been published
> > > although I am sure they are very good, but I can say as joint
> > project
> > > leader with Hector MacQueen that the current draft of the Scottish
> > > licenses can be reached at
> > > http://www.jonathanmitchell.info/informationlaw.html . It is the
> > > project intention to go live in the next few weeks, with a view to a
> > > speedy release.
> > >
> > > I would be very happy to deal with further inquiries- please give
> > me
> > > a ring if you like at 0773 963 9343- I'm free until 1245 and
> > possibly
> > > after lunch. Best wishes
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > > --
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Home address: 30 Warriston Crescent, Edinburgh EH3 5LB, Scotland.
> > Home
> > > telephone: 0131 557 0854.
> > >
> > > This message, and any attachments, may contain legally privileged
> > > material and are confidential to the intended recipient.
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > > From: "Sylvia Carr" <scarr AT silicon.com>
> > > > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:39:09 -0000
> > > > To: <cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > Subject: [Cc-uk] RE: Cc-uk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 10
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm a member of the press and I'm looking for someone who can
> > > > explain more about the new Creative Commons UK licenses for a
> > > > potential story. Ideally I'm looking to talk to someone today (16
> > > > March).
> > > >
> > > > You can reach me at: scarr AT silicon.com
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sylvia Carr
> > > > Analysis & Reports Editor
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> > > >
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> > > > Today's Topics:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Re: Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's Creative
> > > > Commons license (Christian Ahlert)
> > > > 2. Re: Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's Creative
> > > > Commons license (Desiree Miloshevic)
> > > > 3. Creative Commons Symposium May 6th (Neil Leyton)
> > > > 4. Re: Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's Creative
> > > > Commons license (Paul Miller)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:31:52 +0000 (GMT)
> > > > From: Christian Ahlert
> > > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's
> > > > Creative Commons license To: Desiree Miloshevic
> > > > <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info> Cc: p.miller AT jisc.ac.uk, prodromos
> > > > Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT socio-legal-studies.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > > Christian Ahlert
> > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > > lessig AT pobox.com, ronaldo Lemos <rlemos AT fgv.br>,
> > > > gwendolyn.carpenter AT gov3.co.uk, cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org,
> > > > cc-uk-coord AT lists.okfn.org, kenneth Cukier
> > > > <KennethCukier AT economist.com> Message-ID:
> > > > <20050312173152.287E7131AB AT webmail221.herald.ox.ac.uk>
> > Content-Type:
> > > > text/plain
> > > >
> > > > Indeed this is what I meant, the CC licenses for Wales and England
> > > > are ready and about to go on the website.
> > > >
> > > > As a foreigner from the continent I get still somewehat confused
> > > > about the whole UK/England/Scotland/Britain situation...;-)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Desiree and Paul for correcting me.
> > > >
> > > > In message <42323321.1020208 AT afilias.info> Desiree Miloshevic
> > > > <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info> writes:
> > > >> I think that Christian meant the arrival of one of the UK CC
> > > >> licenses - i.e. the CC license for England (and Wales?).
> > > >>
> > > >> Desiree
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> Paul Miller wrote:
> > > >>> "the arrival of the UK creative commons licences" ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Have I missed something?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Paul
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Quoting Christian Ahlert
> > > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Sorry: the date is Wednesday the 16th
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Am 10 Mar 2005 um 6:11 hat Cory Doctorow geschrieben:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> What's the date, Christian?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Christian Ahlert wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> ------------Friends of Creative Commons---------------
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Let us raise a glass to the arrival of the UK creative
> > commons
> > > >>>>>> licences, and start to ask the question - What does the
> > > >>>>>> Creative Commons mean for artists in the UK?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -- We are happy to announce that John Perry Barlow, digerati
> > > >>>>>> and friend of CC, will be with us to celebrate this event.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -- We will be meeting at the wonderful October Gallery in
> > > >>>>>> Bloomsbury to mark the day with some poignant speeches and
> > good
> > > > wine.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Coordinates & Logistics:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The event will start 6pm and we can chat until 9:30pm.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> You can find a map showing how to get to the gallery at:
> > > >>>>>> http://www.theoctobergallery.com/OG-Map.htm
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The event is jointly organized by William Heath and Christian
> > > >>>>>> Ahlert (pls RSVP back to me)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -------PLS distribute widely---------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>> Cc-uk mailing list
> > > >>>> Cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > >>>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-uk
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 2
> > > > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:09:05 +0000
> > > > From: Desiree Miloshevic <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's
> > > > Creative Commons license To: p.miller AT jisc.ac.uk Cc:
> > prodromos
> > > > Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT socio-legal-studies.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > > Christian Ahlert
> > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > > lessig AT pobox.com, ronaldo Lemos <rlemos AT fgv.br>,
> > > > gwendolyn.carpenter AT gov3.co.uk, cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org,
> > > > cc-uk-coord AT lists.okfn.org, kenneth Cukier
> > > > <KennethCukier AT economist.com> Message-ID:
> > > > <42323321.1020208 AT afilias.info> Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > > charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > > >
> > > > I think that Christian meant the arrival of one of the UK CC
> > > > licenses - i.e. the CC license for England (and Wales?).
> > > >
> > > > Desiree
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Paul Miller wrote:
> > > >> "the arrival of the UK creative commons licences" ?
> > > >>
> > > >> Have I missed something?
> > > >>
> > > >> Paul
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Quoting Christian Ahlert
> > > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Sorry: the date is Wednesday the 16th
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Am 10 Mar 2005 um 6:11 hat Cory Doctorow geschrieben:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> What's the date, Christian?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Christian Ahlert wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> ------------Friends of Creative Commons---------------
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Let us raise a glass to the arrival of the UK creative commons
> > > >>>>> licences, and start to ask the question - What does the
> > Creative
> > > >>>>> Commons mean for artists in the UK?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -- We are happy to announce that John Perry Barlow, digerati
> > and
> > > >>>>> friend of CC, will be with us to celebrate this event.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -- We will be meeting at the wonderful October Gallery in
> > > >>>>> Bloomsbury
> > > >
> > > >>>>> to mark the day with some poignant speeches and good wine.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Coordinates & Logistics:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The event will start 6pm and we can chat until 9:30pm.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> You can find a map showing how to get to the gallery at:
> > > >>>>> http://www.theoctobergallery.com/OG-Map.htm
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The event is jointly organized by William Heath and Christian
> > > >>>>> Ahlert
> > > >
> > > >>>>> (pls RSVP back to me)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -------PLS distribute widely---------------------------------
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> Cc-uk mailing list
> > > >>> Cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-uk
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 3
> > > > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:45:14 +0400
> > > > From: Neil Leyton <nleyton AT gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: [Cc-uk] Creative Commons Symposium May 6th
> > > > To: "ioana.bala AT utoronto.ca" <ioana.bala AT utoronto.ca>,
> > "\"Fading
> > > > Ways Records UK\"" <ashlyneaton AT fadingways.co.uk> Message-ID:
> > > > <24cd59d205031500451c1acacc AT mail.gmail.com> Content-Type:
> > > > text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > >
> > > > Greetings everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to take this opportunity to inform and invite you to a
> > > > Symposium that is being planned jointly by fading ways music and
> > > > brighton's loca records. More info at:
> > > >
> > > > www.musiccommons.org
> > > >
> > > > Friday May 6th 2005, University of Sussex. UK.
> > > >
> > > > "A one day symposium to bring together people involved both in
> > > > theory and practice of peer-produced commons production. Including
> > > > Creative Commons, open source and Free/Libre Culture. Ideas,
> > > > strategies and tactics, from releasing music to sharing and
> > remixing
> > > > work - and how to make new commons-based business models function
> > > > alongside the present music industry model and its increasingly
> > > > restrictive legal environment."
> > > >
> > > > You can register online for the event, and make suggestions as to
> > > > the still-being-developed agenda. Should you be interested in
> > > > speaking at the event, please e-mail myself or David.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Neil Leyton
> > > > Fading Ways
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > www.fadingways.co.uk
> > > > www.fadingwaysmusic.com
> > > > www.soulrevolutionaries.org/leyton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Message: 4
> > > > Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:02:43 +0000
> > > > From: Paul Miller <P.Miller AT hull.ac.uk>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Cc-uk] Re: Creative Commons UK celebrates the UK's
> > > > Creative Commons license To: Christian Ahlert
> > > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk> Cc: prodromos
> > > > Tsiavos <prodromos.tsiavos AT socio-legal-studies.oxford.ac.uk>,
> > > > lessig AT pobox.com, ronaldo Lemos <rlemos AT fgv.br>, desiree
> > > > Miloshevic <dmiloshevic AT afilias.info>, cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org,
> > > > cc-uk-coord AT lists.okfn.org, gwendolyn.carpenter AT gov3.co.uk,
> > > > kenneth Cukier <KennethCukier AT economist.com> Message-ID:
> > > > <1110578563.42321583416f8 AT webmail2.hull.ac.uk> Content-Type:
> > > > text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > >
> > > > "the arrival of the UK creative commons licences" ?
> > > >
> > > > Have I missed something?
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Christian Ahlert
> > > > <christian.ahlert AT internet-institute.oxford.ac.uk>:
> > > >
> > > >> Sorry: the date is Wednesday the 16th
> > > >>
> > > >> Am 10 Mar 2005 um 6:11 hat Cory Doctorow geschrieben:
> > > >>
> > > >>> What's the date, Christian?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mar 10, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Christian Ahlert wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> ------------Friends of Creative Commons---------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Let us raise a glass to the arrival of the UK creative commons
> > > >>>> licences, and start to ask the question - What does the
> > Creative
> > > >>>> Commons mean for artists in the UK?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -- We are happy to announce that John Perry Barlow, digerati
> > and
> > > >>>> friend of CC, will be with us to celebrate this event.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -- We will be meeting at the wonderful October Gallery in
> > > > Bloomsbury
> > > >>>> to mark the day with some poignant speeches and good wine.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Coordinates & Logistics:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The event will start 6pm and we can chat until 9:30pm.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> You can find a map showing how to get to the gallery at:
> > > >>>> http://www.theoctobergallery.com/OG-Map.htm
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The event is jointly organized by William Heath and Christian
> > > > Ahlert
> > > >>>> (pls RSVP back to me)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -------PLS distribute widely---------------------------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > >> Cc-uk AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-uk
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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