Development of the Creative Commons Sampling license (or license option)

[mark / negativland <markhosler AT charter.net>]

At 12:25 AM +0100 9/17/03, David meme wrote:
> > Round and round is good. We have time. Discussion is fine.
> >
> > Like I said, I'm happy to take all these names to the team, and I'll do
> > so on an ongoing basis.
>
>
> Yes but if we are all spending time discussing names and then they
> are just taken to a team who pick one then it is hardly a legitimate
> and participatory method of choosing the name. Why not start to
> narrow the field, or somehow allow us to take stock of what we are
> talking about, otherwise this is starting to resemble a talking shop
> that gives the *impression* of participation but lacks any real
> power.


I don't think we can take a vote and decide that way,, though...we
have lawyers involved and CC wants this thing to be legally workable,
so it cant just be what the musicians want...Glenn will have to chime
in here to be more clear.......


> It certainly makes me wonder what the point of contributing if there
> is no end in sight and newbies start us right at the beginning
> again.. There surely needs to be some structure to how we are
> forming some kind of consensus or decision..
>
> Indeed, there are multiple levels to this discussion, my
> understanding (possibly misplaced) was that we were able to not just
> *influence* with its implications of a small group of technocratic
> 'experts' distilling the ideas into 'sensible' solutions. But more
> radically we could direct, write and hey maybe even name the license
> so that it reflected the needs and wishes of musicians rather than
> lawyers... and who is best to make the decisions if about a license
> that is for musicians to use... not the lawyers thats for sure!
>
> And that's not to say I disagree with discussion, its just
> unstructured, never ending, non-chaired, round and round discussion
> that I have a problem with...


Ummm....as one of the chairs/project managers  of this list my
suggestion is that you  stop reading  the "names" e-mails and stop
driving yourself batty!   :)  :)   We just started this "names"
discussion a few days ago and Negativland member Don Joyce (DJ), who
is one of the other chairs,  only just chimed in for the first time a
few hours  ago. So please be patient.

And in case not everyone  new to this list knows, though he isn't a
project manager here, Chris Grigg was also an equal part of the
Negativland team back when we were sued for the "U2" single....his
contributions back then were crucial,  brilliant and invaluable and
his contributions here have also  been insightful and invaluable.  I
will now refer to him as "Mr. Arty Smarty  Pants". He does a mean
butt dance too.

David- I think a  lot of what you are looking for on this list was
actually discussed and mostly sorted out a few months ago....not sure
if you were on the list then.

Dont forget- trying to satisfy a lowest common denominator usually
pleases no one.  For me,trying to reduce Negativland's IP ideas to a
workable license has been an interesting  challenge, but ultimately
the  real world of US contract law will never quite live up to our
collage-art ideals.... I am reminded of  why I'll never be a
politician or an IP  lobbyist! Yikes. But we're doing the  best we
can here....



mark



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