Development of the Creative Commons Sampling license (or license option)

["Glenn Otis Brown" <glenn AT creativecommons.org>]

FYI, this is the model for public participation, announced long ago:

http://creativecommons.org/discuss

I am a "more speech" kind of guy. So I echo Mark's call for patience. 

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:14:57 -0700, "mark / negativland"
<markhosler AT charter.net> said:
> At 12:25 AM +0100 9/17/03, David meme wrote:
> >>Round and round is good. We have time. Discussion is fine.
> >>
> >>Like I said, I'm happy to take all these names to the team, and I'll do
> >>so on an ongoing basis.
> >
> >
> >Yes but if we are all spending time discussing names and then they
> >are just taken to a team who pick one then it is hardly a legitimate
> >and participatory method of choosing the name. Why not start to
> >narrow the field, or somehow allow us to take stock of what we are
> >talking about, otherwise this is starting to resemble a talking shop
> >that gives the *impression* of participation but lacks any real
> >power.
> 
> 
> I don't think we can take a vote and decide that way,, though...we
> have lawyers involved and CC wants this thing to be legally workable,
> so it cant just be what the musicians want...Glenn will have to chime
> in here to be more clear.......
> 
> 
> >
> >It certainly makes me wonder what the point of contributing if there
> >is no end in sight and newbies start us right at the beginning
> >again.. There surely needs to be some structure to how we are
> >forming some kind of consensus or decision..
> >
> >Indeed, there are multiple levels to this discussion, my
> >understanding (possibly misplaced) was that we were able to not just
> >*influence* with its implications of a small group of technocratic
> >'experts' distilling the ideas into 'sensible' solutions. But more
> >radically we could direct, write and hey maybe even name the license
> >so that it reflected the needs and wishes of musicians rather than
> >lawyers... and who is best to make the decisions if about a license
> >that is for musicians to use... not the lawyers thats for sure!
> >
> >And that's not to say I disagree with discussion, its just
> >unstructured, never ending, non-chaired, round and round discussion
> >that I have a problem with...
> 
> 
> Ummm....as one of the chairs/project managers  of this list my
> suggestion is that you  stop reading  the "names" e-mails and stop
> driving yourself batty!   :)  :)   We just started this "names"
> discussion a few days ago and Negativland member Don Joyce (DJ), who
> is one of the other chairs,  only just chimed in for the first time a
> few hours  ago. So please be patient.
> 
> And in case not everyone  new to this list knows, though he isn't a
> project manager here, Chris Grigg was also an equal part of the
> Negativland team back when we were sued for the "U2" single....his
> contributions back then were crucial,  brilliant and invaluable and
> his contributions here have also  been insightful and invaluable.  I
> will now refer to him as "Mr. Arty Smarty  Pants". He does a mean
> butt dance too.
> 
> David- I think a  lot of what you are looking for on this list was
> actually discussed and mostly sorted out a few months ago....not sure
> if you were on the list then.
> 
> Dont forget- trying to satisfy a lowest common denominator usually
> pleases no one.  For me,trying to reduce Negativland's IP ideas to a
> workable license has been an interesting  challenge, but ultimately
> the  real world of US contract law will never quite live up to our
> collage-art ideals.... I am reminded of  why I'll never be a
> politician or an IP  lobbyist! Yikes. But we're doing the  best we
> can here....
> 
> 
> 
> mark
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >David meme
> >
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