Development of Creative Commons licenses

[P-M <cc AT phizz.demon.co.uk>]

> From: cc-licenses-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org 
> [cc-licenses-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] on behalf of Gregor Hagedorn 
> [g.m.hagedorn AT gmail.com]
> Sent: 14 December 2012 07:52
> To: Development of Creative Commons licenses
> Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] [cc-community] Commercial Rights Reserved
>
> > that is being resisted but strong commercialism. So the use of a photo
> > by a local community group in a publication from which they hope to
> > raise a few quid is NOT the same as the use of the image by WALMART made
> > into posters or greetings cards. Similarly a band playing a song in a
> > club from which they get a cut of the door money is not the same as
> > Toyota using the song in an advertisement.
>
> Under CC BY-NC(-SA) it is.

That isn't the point. Walmart and Toyota know they are 'strictly from 
commercial'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhHCcUnm4SI


the local band, and the community group know that they aren't, and 
should they have any doubts they can fire off an email.




> > Commercial Rights is not what the NC Commons is about at all.
>
> Such misconceptions about the legal functioning of the license are an
> excellent argument to change the labeling of the present CC NC
> licenses. And yes, if possible add a new license that fits these
> conceptions and which legally works as expected for a sufficiently
> free non-commercial commons. But that does not mean that artists
> should not also have the option to license under the present NC->CRR
> terms: they do allow a (very limited) re-use by private individuals.


Most of us from the NC camp discussing this know very well what the NC 
license says, what it forbids, and what it allows. We also know that it 
was written by liberal lawyers, from a Libertarian background and that 
as such it won't make a perfect mesh with the non-commercial Commons, 
and that it is unlikely to be fixed for doctrinaire reasons. *shrug* 
Meanwhile comrade we'll make do with what we have:


     Лучшее - враг хорошего


As stated above those working within the non-commercial Commons know 
what NC means, and don't have any problems with it.