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  • From: "T. Margoni" <t.margoni AT uva.nl>
  • To: Ignasi Labastida i Juan <ilabastida AT ub.edu>, Tarmo Toikkanen <tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi>
  • Cc: "cc-europe AT lists.ibiblio.org" <cc-europe AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [CC-Europe] Horizon 20/20 open access / open data requirements
  • Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:29:04 +0100

and it seems they are enforcing this with dmca-like notice and take down
requests...

Ignasi: thanks for the link. Do they require a fee to republish in OA?

On 12/17/2013, 9:13 AM, Ignasi Labastida i Juan wrote:
> Tarmo, unfortunately this is not old news. Elsevier's policy has changed
> during the last years to the current one that I was linking. A few years
> ago Elsevier didn't put any embargo to researchers when posting of AAM
> and now they are asking universities with mandates to sign an agreement
> that includes a longer embargo periods:
> http://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/121293/External_Embargo_List_2013.pdf
>
> In the agreement they offer the use of CC licenses in preprints and
> postprints:
>
> (ii) enable immediate public access to the Preprints under a CC-BY license,
> (iii) enable public access to the AAMs under a CC-BY-NC-ND license
> beginning at the expiration of the journal embargo periods noted at
> www.elsevier.com/embargoperiodlist
> <http://www.elsevier.com/embargoperiodlist> (under the conditions noted
> herein) as updated from time to time by Elsevier,
>
> In our university we have not signed such agreement and we keep saying
> that our researchers post their papers voluntarily although we have an
> OA policy. Therefore we don't establish any embargo in Elsevier journals.
>
> Best
>
> Ignasi
>
>
>
> 2013/12/17 Tarmo Toikkanen <tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi
> <mailto:tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi>>
>
> This is already old news, since Princeton and Harvard started doing
> this already in
> 2011.
> http://theconversation.com/princeton-goes-open-access-to-stop-staff-handing-all-copyright-to-journals-unless-waiver-granted-3596
>
> --
> Tarmo Toikkanen
> tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi <mailto:tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi>
> Learning Environments research group, http://legroup.aalto.fi
> Creative Commons Finland, http://www.creativecommons.fi
> Aalto university, http://www.aalto.fi
>
> On Tuesday 17. 12 2013 at 9.11, Ignasi Labastida i Juan wrote:
>
>> Well, we will see how large publishers react to those embargo
>> periods. They are much shorter than what they currently allow. For
>> instance:
>>
>> http://www.elsevier.com/journal-authors/policies/open-access-policies/article-posting-policy#accepted-author-manuscript
>> Ignasi
>>
>> El dia 17/12/2013 7:23, "Tarmo Toikkanen"
>> <tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi <mailto:tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi>> va
>> escriure:
>>> Large universities have the option of declaring a policy that
>>> states that all publications will be published on the
>>> university’s own repository after a short waiting time. Even
>>> large publishers seem to respect these policies. If enough large
>>> universities implement similar policies, creating publicly
>>> browsable university-specific publication collections would
>>> become mainstream.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tarmo Toikkanen
>>> tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi <mailto:tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi>
>>> Learning Environments research group, http://legroup.aalto.fi
>>> Creative Commons Finland, http://www.creativecommons.fi
>>> Aalto university, http://www.aalto.fi
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 17. 12 2013 at 0.11, T. Margoni wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is great news and things are, slowly, moving.
>>>>
>>>> There should also be a German copyright reform effective as of 2014
>>>> saying that authors of scientific articles have an unwaivable
>>>> right to
>>>> republish in green oa after 6 months. John, do you have more
>>>> details on
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know that would be a unique approach in the EU, other
>>>> members have obligations to republish (spain, uk, italy) but don't
>>>> address copyright issue... This is a problem, as it leaves
>>>> authors/researchers in the uncomfortable situation to have OA
>>>> obligations towards funders and request to transfer copyright from
>>>> publishers...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/2013, 10:32 PM, Timothy Vollmer wrote:
>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>>
>>>>> Horizon 2020 launched with €15 billion over first two years
>>>>> http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-1232_en.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a new provision that says that EU funded articles should be
>>>>> green OA and that embargoes will be a 6 month maximum for the
>>>>> life and
>>>>> physical sciences, and 12 months for the social sciences and
>>>>> humanities. Here's the link to the model grant
>>>>> agreement:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/data/ref/h2020/mga/gga/h2020-mga-gga-multi_en.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Articles - Pg 61
>>>>>
>>>>> Each beneficiary must ensure open access (free of charge, online
>>>>> access for any user) to all peer-reviewed scientific publications
>>>>> relating to its results. Each beneficiary must, as soon as possible
>>>>> and at the latest upon publication, deposit a machine-readable
>>>>> electronic copy of the published version or final peer-reviewed
>>>>> manuscript accepted for publication in a repository for scientific
>>>>> publications. Moreover, the beneficiary must aim to deposit at the
>>>>> same time the research data needed to validate the results
>>>>> presented
>>>>> in the deposited scientific publications. Each beneficiary must
>>>>> ensure open access to the deposited publication - via the
>>>>> repository -
>>>>> at the latest on publication, if an electronic version is available
>>>>> for free via the publisher, or within six months of
>>>>> publication (twelve months of publication for publications in the
>>>>> social sciences and humanities in any other case.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Data - Pg 62 (this is optional)
>>>>>
>>>>> Deposit in a research data repository and take measures to make it
>>>>> possible for third parties to access, mine, exploit, reproduce and
>>>>> disseminate - free of charge for any user - the following: (i)the
>>>>> data, including associated metadata needed to validate the results
>>>>> presented in scientific publications as soon as possible; (ii)other
>>>>> data, including associated metadata, as specified and within the
>>>>> deadlines laid down in the "data management plan" (see Annex 1);
>>>>> (b)provide information - via the repository - about tools and
>>>>> instruments at the disposal of the beneficiaries and necessary for
>>>>> validating the results (and where possible, provide the tools and
>>>>> instruments themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Thomas Margoni
>>>> Institute for Information Law (IViR) - Faculty of Law
>>>> University of Amsterdam - The Netherlands
>>>> http://ssrn.com/author=1383303
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--
Dr. Thomas Margoni
Institute for Information Law (IViR) - Faculty of Law
University of Amsterdam - The Netherlands
http://ssrn.com/author=1383303




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