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["T. Margoni" <t.margoni AT uva.nl>]

and it seems they are enforcing this with dmca-like notice and take down
requests...

Ignasi: thanks for the link. Do they require a fee to republish in OA?

On 12/17/2013, 9:13 AM, Ignasi Labastida i Juan wrote:
> Tarmo, unfortunately this is not old news. Elsevier's policy has changed
> during the last years to the current one that I was linking. A few years
> ago Elsevier didn't put any embargo to researchers when posting of AAM
> and now they are asking universities with mandates to sign an agreement
> that includes a longer embargo periods:
> http://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/121293/External_Embargo_List_2013.pdf
> 
> In the agreement they offer the use of CC licenses in preprints and
> postprints:
> 
> (ii) enable immediate public access to the Preprints under a CC-BY license,
> (iii) enable public access to the AAMs under a CC-BY-NC-ND license
> beginning at the expiration of the journal embargo periods noted at
> www.elsevier.com/embargoperiodlist
> <http://www.elsevier.com/embargoperiodlist> (under the conditions noted
> herein) as updated from time to time by Elsevier,
> 
> In our university we have not signed such agreement and we keep saying
> that our researchers post their papers voluntarily although we have an
> OA policy. Therefore we don't establish any embargo in Elsevier journals.
> 
> Best
> 
> Ignasi
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/12/17 Tarmo Toikkanen <tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi
> <mailto:tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi>>
> 
>     This is already old news, since Princeton and Harvard started doing
>     this already in
>     2011. 
> http://theconversation.com/princeton-goes-open-access-to-stop-staff-handing-all-copyright-to-journals-unless-waiver-granted-3596
> 
>     -- 
>     Tarmo Toikkanen
>     tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi <mailto:tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi>
>     Learning Environments research group, http://legroup.aalto.fi
>     Creative Commons Finland, http://www.creativecommons.fi
>     Aalto university, http://www.aalto.fi
> 
>     On Tuesday 17. 12 2013 at 9.11, Ignasi Labastida i Juan wrote:
> 
>>     Well, we will see how large publishers react to those embargo
>>     periods. They are much shorter than what they currently allow. For
>>     instance:
>>     
>> http://www.elsevier.com/journal-authors/policies/open-access-policies/article-posting-policy#accepted-author-manuscript
>>     Ignasi
>>
>>     El dia 17/12/2013 7:23, "Tarmo Toikkanen"
>>     <tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi <mailto:tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi>> va
>>     escriure:
>>>     Large universities have the option of declaring a policy that
>>>     states that all publications will be published on the
>>>     university’s own repository after a short waiting time. Even
>>>     large publishers seem to respect these policies. If enough large
>>>     universities implement similar policies, creating publicly
>>>     browsable university-specific publication collections would
>>>     become mainstream.
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Tarmo Toikkanen
>>>     tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi <mailto:tarmo.toikkanen AT aalto.fi>
>>>     Learning Environments research group, http://legroup.aalto.fi
>>>     Creative Commons Finland, http://www.creativecommons.fi
>>>     Aalto university, http://www.aalto.fi
>>>
>>>     On Tuesday 17. 12 2013 at 0.11, T. Margoni wrote:
>>>
>>>>     This is great news and things are, slowly, moving.
>>>>
>>>>     There should also be a German copyright reform effective as of 2014
>>>>     saying that authors of scientific articles have an unwaivable
>>>>     right to
>>>>     republish in green oa after 6 months. John, do you have more
>>>>     details on
>>>>     this?
>>>>
>>>>     As far as I know that would be a unique approach in the EU, other
>>>>     members have obligations to republish (spain, uk, italy) but don't
>>>>     address copyright issue... This is a problem, as it leaves
>>>>     authors/researchers in the uncomfortable situation to have OA
>>>>     obligations towards funders and request to transfer copyright from
>>>>     publishers...
>>>>
>>>>     On 12/16/2013, 10:32 PM, Timothy Vollmer wrote:
>>>>>     Hi all:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Horizon 2020 launched with €15 billion over first two years
>>>>>     http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-1232_en.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>     There's a new provision that says that EU funded articles should be
>>>>>     green OA and that embargoes will be a 6 month maximum for the
>>>>>     life and
>>>>>     physical sciences, and 12 months for the social sciences and
>>>>>     humanities. Here's the link to the model grant
>>>>>     agreement:
>>>>>     
>>>>> http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/data/ref/h2020/mga/gga/h2020-mga-gga-multi_en.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Articles - Pg 61
>>>>>
>>>>>     Each beneficiary must ensure open access (free of charge, online
>>>>>     access for any user) to all peer-reviewed scientific publications
>>>>>     relating to its results. Each beneficiary must, as soon as possible
>>>>>     and at the latest upon publication, deposit a machine-readable
>>>>>     electronic copy of the published version or final peer-reviewed
>>>>>     manuscript accepted for publication in a repository for scientific
>>>>>     publications. Moreover, the beneficiary must aim to deposit at the
>>>>>     same time the research data needed to validate the results
>>>>>     presented
>>>>>     in the deposited scientific publications. Each beneficiary must
>>>>>     ensure open access to the deposited publication - via the
>>>>>     repository -
>>>>>     at the latest on publication, if an electronic version is available
>>>>>     for free via the publisher, or within six months of
>>>>>     publication (twelve months of publication for publications in the
>>>>>     social sciences and humanities in any other case.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Data - Pg 62 (this is optional)
>>>>>
>>>>>     Deposit in a research data repository and take measures to make it
>>>>>     possible for third parties to access, mine, exploit, reproduce and
>>>>>     disseminate - free of charge for any user - the following: (i)the
>>>>>     data, including associated metadata needed to validate the results
>>>>>     presented in scientific publications as soon as possible; (ii)other
>>>>>     data, including associated metadata, as specified and within the
>>>>>     deadlines laid down in the "data management plan" (see Annex 1);
>>>>>     (b)provide information - via the repository - about tools and
>>>>>     instruments at the disposal of the beneficiaries and necessary for
>>>>>     validating the results (and where possible, provide the tools and
>>>>>     instruments themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Dr. Thomas Margoni
Institute for Information Law (IViR) - Faculty of Law
University of Amsterdam - The Netherlands
http://ssrn.com/author=1383303