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- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
- To: davidlwashburn AT gmail.com, b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring'
- Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 16:34:14 -0400 (EDT)
Dave Washburn: You wrote: “The biggest problem with this kind of evidence is the fact that we're transliterating the written form from an alphabetic script to a syllabic one. What it actually indicates is that the writers using Akkadian script didn't have a good way to indicate a closed syllable. Given the nature of Akkadian script, this should come as no surprise. But it's also going to be of very little value in telling us whether Hebrew did in fact have closed syllables at those times in its history. That's the nature of the Akkadian beast, and I have a problem with taking it as prima facie evidence that Hebrew was much more syllabic than we thought. It seems to me that we're putting a square peg in a round hole, and then declaring that yes, the round peg has parallel sides, just like the square one. I don't really buy it.” That’s correct.
Thus when the Egyptian word wr [meaning “great, much”] is being rendered
in the Akkadian cuneiform of the Amarna Letters, though it might well in fact
have been a closed syllable/CVC, nevertheless in cuneiform it gets rendered as
wu-ri or wu-ra, in the name Pa-wu-ra at Amarna Letter EA 124: 44 or Pi-wu-ri at
Amarna Letter EA 129: 97. Note that
the first element of this name is pA, meaning “the” in Egyptian, and that’s
followed by an Egyptian word that begins with consonantal W. Thus P-W+ -Y- P-R at Genesis 39: 1 [mis-transliterated
by KJV as “Potiphar”] similarly may well be pA, represented by Hebrew peh/P,
followed by an Egyptian word that begins with consonantal W, namely wAt or
wA.ti, represented by Hebrew vav/W – Hebrew teth/+. We can’t tell if it’s CVC, namely wAt,
or CV – CV, namely wA.ti, in the Hebrew rendering of this Biblical Egyptian
name, nor could that distinction have been made in the cuneiform writing of the
Amarna Letters either. The
universal assumption that the Hebrew vav/W in this Biblical Egyptian name should
be totally ignored for all purposes makes no sense on any level, and is one
important reason why this Biblical Egyptian name has always been terribly
misunderstood. In fact, it’s an
exact linguistic match to pA wA.ti
-- pA ra : “The Distant
[God] -- The Ra”. W+/wA.ti means
“distant” or "you are distant", and implies “distant [god]”, and the Hebrew
yod/Y is a xireq compaginis, functioning like a modern dash. If we’re willing to look at the Hebrew
vav/W in this Biblical Egyptian name, instead of ignore it, the meaning of this
Biblical Egyptian becomes readily apparent. Instead of being corrupt or
inexplicable, this Biblical Egyptian name has letter-for-letter spelling
accuracy. Jim Stinehart |
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring'
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Barry, 07/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', K Randolph, 07/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Jerry Shepherd, 07/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Chris Watts, 07/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Isaac Fried, 07/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Isaac Fried, 07/10/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring',
Jerry Shepherd, 07/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Isaac Fried, 07/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Chris Watts, 07/11/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring',
George Athas, 07/11/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring',
Jonathan Mohler, 07/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', George Athas, 07/11/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring',
Chris Watts, 07/11/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring',
Jerry Shepherd, 07/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Chris Watts, 07/11/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring',
Petr Tomasek, 07/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Jerry Shepherd, 07/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring', Isaac Fried, 07/11/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring',
Jerry Shepherd, 07/11/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ex 6:6 hiphil imperative 'bring',
Jonathan Mohler, 07/11/2013
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