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As there is no single greek manuscript (ot of 5800) for the NT reading
"Jevoha" there is absolutly no evidence for those statments. This is only
a claim of the so called Jehovas Wittnesses, as they "translate" Kurios
with "Jehova" in the NT and thereby want to correct all extant manuscripts
(considered to be faulty) just to have their "Jehova" in the text. As this
is not a BH iussue it should be stopped.
Yours
Peter Streitenberger, Germany






> Dear Bryant,
>
> I have never said that YHWH occurs in any NT manuscript that we have
> today. But I have argued, as in my last post, that the text of the
> earliest NT manuscripts is corrupt as far as God's name is concerned;
> therefore  they are not representative in connection with this question. I
> have further argued that there is good evidence that God's name occurred
> in the NT autographs. In my book on Bible translations there are 95 pages
> where this evidence is presented in detail.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Rolf Furuli
> Stavern
> Norway
>
>
> Fredag 7. Juni 2013 17:34 CEST skrev "Rev. Bryant J. Williams III"
> <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>:
>
>> Dear Scott,
>>
>> Rolf has made in past posts claims that some NT documents have the
>> Tetragrammaton in the text. Rolf has not produced, to my knowledge, the
>> sources or links for those claims to be verified. It seems that the
>> reason Stephen is asking for the sources to be not the LXX is that by
>> the 4th Century AD the LXX and the NT were combined, e.g. Sinaiticus,
>> Alexandrinus, Vaticanus, etc. Thus, the LXX was considered as part of
>> the Christian Scriptures even though it is the translation of the Tanakh
>> by Jewish translators from Alexandria. If I remember correctly, the LXX
>> in some spots is a witness to an earlier text of the Tanakh predating
>> the Dead Sea Scrolls.
>>
>> Now, with reference to the the use of κύριος (KURIOS). It is used
>> quited frequently for the Tetragrammaton in the LXX. Yet it is also used
>> in places like Exodus 3:14, Deuteronomy 32:49; and passages in Isaiah
>> 40-60 where Ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW EIMI) is used to translate
>> ×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö™ ('ani), ×Ö¸× Ö¹×›Ö´Ö¥×™ ('anoki), etc. In Isaiah 40-61,
>> κύριος (KURIOS) and Ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW EIMI) are also
>> juxtaposed with each other (See Below).
>>
>> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
>>
>> Exodus.
>>
>>     3:14 LXX - Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν (EGW EIMI hO WN) is found to
>> translate MT אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה ('EHYEH), but Ὁ ὢν (hO WN - 2X)
>> is used to translate MT אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה ('EHYEH - 2x)
>>
>> Deut.
>>
>>     32:39 כִּ֣י ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ ×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö™ ה֔וּא (ki ani ani
>> hu) = ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι (ki ani ani hu)
>>
>> Isaiah
>>
>>     41:4  ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה... ×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö¾×”Ö½×•Ö¼××ƒ(ani
>> YHWH...ani hu) = ἐγὼ θεὸςc ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW
>> QEOS...EGW EIMI)
>>     41:10 ×›Ö´Ö¼Ö½×™Ö¾×Ö²× Ö´Ö£×™ אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ (ki ani
>> eloheyka) = ἐγὼ γάρ εἰμι ὁ θεός σου (EGW GAR
>> EIMI hO QEOS SOU)
>>     41:13 ×›Ö´Ö¼Ö½×™Ö¾×Ö²× Ö´Ö£×™ אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ (ki ani
>> eloheyka) = ὅτι ἐγὼ ὁ θεός σου (hOTI EGW hO QEOS
>> SOU)
>>
>>     41:17 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος
>> ὁ θεός (EGW KURIOS hO QEOS)
>>
>>     41"17 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος
>> ὁ θεός (EGW KURIOS hO QEOS)
>>     42:6 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος
>> ὁ θεός (EGW KURIOS hO QEOS)
>>     42:8 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¥×™ יְהוָ֖ה ה֣וּא (ani YHWH hu) = ἐγὼ
>> κύριος ὁ θεός (EGW KURIOS hO QEOS)
>>
>> 43:3 כִּ֗י ×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö™ יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ (ki ani
>> YHWH eloheyka) = ὅτι ἐγὼ κύριος ὁ θεός σου (EGW
>> KURIOS hO QEOS SOU)
>>
>> 43:10 × Ö°×Ö»×Ö¾×™Ö°×”×•Ö¸Ö”×”c×›Ö´Ö¼Ö½×™Ö¾×Ö²× Ö´Ö£×™ ה֔וּא
>> (neum-YHWH...ki-ani hu) = κύριος ὁ θεός... ἐγώ εἰμι
>> (KURIOS hO QEOS...EGW EIMI)
>>
>>     43:11 ×Ö¸× Ö¹×›Ö´Ö¥×™ ×Ö¸× Ö¹×›Ö´Ö–×™ יְהוָ֑ה (anoki anoki
>> YHWH) = ἐγὼ ὁ θεός (EGW hO QEOS)
>>     43:12 י × Ö°×Ö»×Ö¾×™Ö°×”×•Ö¸Ö–×” ×•Ö·Ö½×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö¾×ÖµÖ½×œ
>> (neum-YHWH weani al-El) = ἐγὼ ὁ θεός (EGW hO QEOS)
>>     43:15 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος
>> ὁ θεὸς (EGW hO QEOS)
>>
>> 43:25 ×Ö¸× Ö¹×›Ö´Ö¨×™ ×Ö¸× Ö¹×›Ö´Ö¥×™ ה֛וּא (anoki anoki hu) =
>> ἐγώ εἰμι ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW EIMI EGW EIMI)
>>
>> 45:3 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος ὁ
>> θεός (EGW KURIOS hO QEOS)
>>
>> 45:5 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος ὁ
>> θεός (EGW KURIOS hO QEOS)
>>
>> 45:6 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος ὁ
>> θεός (EGW KURIOS hO QEOS)
>>
>> 45:7 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος ὁ
>> θεός (EGW KURIOS hO QEOS)
>>
>> 45:8 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος ὁ
>> θεός (EGW KURIOS hO QEOS)
>>
>> 45:19 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγώ εἰμι ἐγώ
>> εἰμι κύριος λαλῶν (EGW EIMI EGW EIMI KURIOS hO LALWN)
>>
>>     45:21 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ ὁ θεός
>> (EGW hO QEOS)
>>     45:22 ×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö¾×ÖµÖ–×œ (ani el) = ἐγὼ κύριος ὁ
>> θεὸς (EGW EIMI hO QEOS)
>>     46:4 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö£×™ ה֔וּא (ani hu) = ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW EIMI)
>>     46:9 ×Ö¸× Ö¹×›Ö´Ö¥×™ אֵל֙ (anoki el) = ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ
>> θεός (EGW EIMI Ho QEOS)
>>     47:8 ×Ö²× Ö´×™ (ani) = ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW EIMI) (NOTE: NIV "I
>> am, and there is none beside me.")
>>     47:10 ×¨Ö¹×Ö¸Ö”× Ö´×™ i (roani) = ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW EIMI)
>>     48:12 ×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö¾×”×•Ö¼×Ö™ ×Ö²× Ö´Ö£×™ רִאשֹׁ֔ון
>> אַ֖ף ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¥×™ אַחֲרֹֽון (ani hu ani rishon ani
>> acharon) = ἐγώ εἰμι πρῶτος, καὶ ἐγώ
>> εἰμι εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα (EGW EIMI PRWTOS, KAI EGW
>> EIMI EIS TON AIWNA)
>>
>> 48:15 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¥×™ ×Ö²× Ö´Ö›×™ (ani ani) = ἐγὼ, … ἐγὼ...(
>> EGW...EGW...)
>>
>> 48:17 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¨×™ יְהוָ֤ה אֱלֹהֶ֙יךָ֙ (ani YHWH
>> eloheyka) = Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ θεός σου (EGW KURIOS)
>>
>> 49:23 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος
>> (EGW KURIOS)
>>
>> 49:26 ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ani YHWH) = ἐγὼ κύριος
>> (EGW KURIOS)
>>
>> 51:12 ×Ö¸× Ö¹×›Ö´Ö§×™ ×Ö¸× Ö¹×›Ö´Ö›×™ ה֖וּא (anoki anoki hu) =
>> ἐγώ εἰμι ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW EIMI EGW EIMI)
>>
>> 51:15 כִּ֗י ×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö™ יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ (anoki
>> YHWH eloheyka) = ἐγὼ ὁ θεός σου (EGW hO QEOS SOU)
>>
>> 60:16 כִּ֣י ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ מֹֽושִׁיעֵ֔ךְ
>> (ki-ani YHWH Moshiak) = ἐγὼ κύριος ὁ σῴζων σε (EGW
>> KURIOS hO SWZWN SE)
>>
>>             61:8 כִּ֣י ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה֙ (ki-ani YHWH) =
>> ἐγὼ γάρ εἰμι κύριος (EGW GAR EIMI KURIOS)
>>
>> 1. ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW EIMI) is used 20x (17x in Isaiah) with several
>> verses having double use for emphasis.
>>
>> 2. You will note that ×Ö²× Ö´Ö£×™ ה֔וּא (ani hu), ×Ö¸× Ö¹×›Ö´Ö¨×™
>> (anoki), ×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö™ יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ (ani YHWH
>> eloheyka), ×Ö²× Ö´Ö¤×™ יְהוָה (ani YHWH),×Ö²× Ö´×™Ö¾×ÖµÖ–×œ
>> (ani-EL) are all used interchangeably along with ×Ö²×“Ö¹× Ö¸Ö£×™
>> יֱהוִ֔ה (adonai YHWH) etc.
>>
>> 3. The LXX uses ἐγὼ ὁ θεός (EGW hO QEOS), ἐγώ εἰμι
>> ὁ θεός (EGW EIMI hO QEOS), ἐγώ εἰμι ἐγώ εἰμι
>> (EGW EIMI EGW EIMI), ἐγὼ ὁ κύριος (EGW hO KURIOS), etc.
>> interchangeably, BUT ἐγώ εἰμι (EGW EIMI) is used here more than
>> anywhere else with reference to God = יֱהוִ֔ה
>> (YHWH),אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ (eloheyka), ×Ö²×“Ö¹× Ö¸Ö£×™ (adonai),
>> θεός (QEOS), κύριος (KURIOS), etc.
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