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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives
- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
- To: kwrandolph AT gmail.com
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives
- Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:14:31 -0400 (EDT)
Karl: You wrote: “[T]here is absolutely no historical
evidence to back it up. None
whatsoever. That includes the claim
that the ancient Hebrews didn’t have an alphabetic writing system until late,
while the historical evidence points to that the ancient Hebrews brought their
alphabetic system to South of Lebanon
and The telltale sign of a
composition that had originally been written down in Akkadian cuneiform instead
of alphabetically, and that was only transformed into an alphabetical text many
centuries later, is that in such case gutturals will sometimes be confused in
non-Hebrew proper names. That’s
inevitable under those circumstances, because Akkadian cuneiform writing cannot
distinguish one guttural from another.
[By contrast, there will be no such confusion of gutturals in Hebrew
common words, because the scribe in Jerusalem who transformed the Akkadian
cuneiform text into alphabetical Biblical Hebrew was a native Biblical Hebrew
speaker, who naturally knew the proper spelling of Hebrew common words like the
back of his hand. But such scribe
could not reasonably be expected to have much knowledge of exotic foreign proper
names from centuries earlier, so he could not guess all the gutturals right in
such proper names.]
If the
Patriarchal narratives were originally written down in Akkadian cuneiform in the
Bronze Age, and then only in the 1st millennium BCE were finally, for the first time,
transformed into alphabetical Hebrew, we can confidently predict in that event
that in foreign proper names [but not in Hebrew common words]: (i) gutturals will sometimes be confused
in the received alphabetical text;
but (ii) in all other respects there will be amazing letter-for-letter
spelling accuracy of these truly ancient, exotic foreign proper names from
various Bronze Age non-Hebrew languages [because they were recorded in w-r-i-t-i-n-g by a contemporary]. Neither of those two prominent
characteristics could possibly apply to an oral tradition! T-h-a-t is one key reason why my many threads on
exotic non-Hebrew proper names in the Patriarchal narratives are important
regarding Biblical Hebrew. No
matter how well a Hebraist knows Biblical Hebrew, he cannot make sense out of
any of the following exotic foreign names in the received text of the
Patriarchal narratives, because there has been a confusion of gutturals in
transforming these proper names from the original Akkadian cuneiform into
alphabetical Biblical Hebrew [while in all other respects the spelling in the
received text is exactly perfect, regarding all these many different non-Hebrew
proper names]: 1. XWBH at Genesis 14: 15. [The first guttural was intended to be
he/H, not heth/X.] 2. The -R( ending of the name of Joseph’s
Egyptian priestly father-in-law at Genesis 41: 45. [The last guttural was intended to be
heth/X, not ayin/(.] 3. PR(H at Genesis 12: 15, etc. [The last guttural was intended to be
heth/X, not he/H.] 4.
BR( and BR$( at Genesis 14: 2.
[Chapters 14 and 49 of Genesis were transformed into alphabetical
Biblical Hebrew 300 years before the rest of the Patriarchal narratives was
transformed from Akkadian cuneiform into alphabetical Biblical Hebrew (which is
why, uniquely in the Patriarchal narratives, those two chapters have many
archaic elements regarding Hebrew
common words). The
non-Indo-European language represented by the names BR( and BR$( has no
ayin. The final guttural ayin/( is
a Semiticization. But centuries
later, in names otherwise of that same general type, that same final letter was
customarily rendered alphabetically in Hebrew as he/H, rather than as ayin/(,
such as )WRYH at II Samuel 11: 3.] Karl, the way to prove that
university scholars have underestimated how old the Patriarchal narratives are
as a w-r-i-t-t-e-n text is to show that exotic proper names
in the received text are replete with confusion as to gutturals, yet in all
other respects have letter-for-letter spelling accuracy as to attested Bronze
Age spellings in these various non-Hebrew languages. That would never happen regarding an
oral tradition, which would get many aspects of archaic foreign proper names
mixed up, but would not have any particular confusion regarding gutturals per se. The linguistic key to showing
the great antiquity and
p-i-n-p-o-i-n-t Bronze Age
historical accuracy of the Patriarchal narratives is to show that the confusion
of gutturals in exotic foreign proper names in the received text is the sure
sign of a text that was originally written down in Akkadian cuneiform, not
alphabetically. The reason why that
is super-exciting is that there are very few Iron Age texts in Akkadian
cuneiform: “[There are only] “a
small number of cuneiform documents from Iron Age Jim Stinehart |
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?,
Will Parsons, 04/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?, Dave Washburn, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?,
K Randolph, 04/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?,
Uzi Silber, 04/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?, K Randolph, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?,
Uzi Silber, 04/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?, Stewart Felker, 04/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
jimstinehart, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, jimstinehart, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
jimstinehart, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
JimStinehart, 04/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, K Randolph, 04/10/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, JimStinehart, 04/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, rob acosta, 04/13/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?,
Will Parsons, 04/08/2013
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