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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives
- From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
- To: George.Athas AT moore.edu.au, b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives
- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 10:04:52 -0400 (EDT)
George Athas: In response to Karl’s statement that “Abraham and his sons and grandsons didn’t use stone or clay for their writing”, you wrote: “Karl, my question is how do you know what Abraham and his sons used or didn't use? You are saying that the evidence for this no longer exists, so how on earth do you know it? This seems to be nothing more than an argument from silence. I'm certainly not against the idea, but I'd like to know how we could test for it. If we can't, you have to admit that you are purely speculating here.” I have set forth objective evidence indicating that the Patriarchal narratives were originally written on clay tablets in Akkadian cuneiform in the late Amarna time period, and not transformed into alphabetical Biblical Hebrew [except for chapters 14 and 49 of Genesis] until 7th century BCE Jerusalem. When I mentioned that on a different thread, you wrote: “All that is pure speculation, too. It's based on opinion, idiosyncratic interpretation, and wild speculation.” After publicly accusing me of “wild speculation”, please be so kind as to specify which of the following key arguments of mine are “wild speculation”: 1.
Geographical Location of Patriarchs’ “ The Patriarchs are never said to “go up”/(LH to the
Patriarchs’ 2. Time Period of the Patriarchal Age Each Patriarch experiences a terrible drought-famine and
considers moving to Please note in this regard that the o-n-l-y time prior to the mid-1st
millennium BCE when significant amounts of writing [letter-length or longer] are
attested in south-central
3. Biblical Egyptian Names If the Patriarchal narratives were composed in Year 14 and written down in Akkadian cuneiform 4 years later, and for the most part not transformed into alphabetical Biblical Hebrew until late 7th century BCE Jerusalem, then we would predict the following as to the Biblical Egyptian names near the end of Genesis, being three items that would be impossible if the Patriarchal narratives were, as ordinarily supposed, an oral tradition: (i) there would be a confusion of gutturals, because Akkadian cuneiform cannot distinguish one guttural from another, and a Jewish scribe in 7th century BCE Jerusalem would not be familiar with exotic Egyptian names from 700 years earlier; (ii) yet except for the gutturals, every other aspect of the spelling of these Biblical Egyptian names would be letter-for-letter perfect, because they were written down by a contemporary in the late Amarna time period; and (iii) all of these Biblical Egyptian names would be utterly redolent of Year 14 at Amarna. We see such confusion of the gutturals in the name of Joseph’s Egyptian priestly father-in-law, Potipherah, where the final ayin/( in the received text was meant to be a heth/X [which is what makes this a completely different name than “Potiphar” as the name of Joseph’s initial Egyptian master], and in the name translated as “Pharaoh”, where the final he/H was also meant to be a heth/X [which makes this name an updated version of the name “Akhenaten”]. Other than such gutturals, every letter of every Biblical Egyptian name near the end of Genesis is letter perfect as to the expected Biblical Hebrew spelling of the Egyptian words that comprise these names. And all of these Biblical Egyptian names are utterly redolent of Year 14 at Amarna. For example, the unattractive nature of Akhenaten’s self-centered form of monotheism comes out clearly in the name of Joseph’s Egyptian father-in-law [who is a high-priest of Ra from On], once it is recognized that the last letter in his name was meant to be heth/X: “[Akhenaten Is] The One and Only One Who Knows The Distant God Ra”. My detailed, letter-for-letter analysis of these various Biblical Egyptian names is not “wild speculation”. Based on all the objective evidence I have set forth in support of my non-traditional view that the Patriarchal narratives are truly ancient as a written text and are historically accurate, I am disappointed to see you to write off my entire well-considered, fact-based and text-based view of the Patriarchal narratives as follows: “All that is pure speculation, too. It's based on opinion, idiosyncratic interpretation, and wild speculation.” My text-based view, as opposed to your non-text-based traditional view of the above three key subjects regarding the Patriarchal narratives, is not “wild speculation”. Rather, it’s what the t-e-x-t says. Dr. James R. Stinehart |
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
jimstinehart, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, jimstinehart, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
jimstinehart, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
JimStinehart, 04/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, K Randolph, 04/10/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, JimStinehart, 04/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, rob acosta, 04/13/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
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