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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives
- From: jimstinehart AT aol.com
- To: chavoux AT gmail.com
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives
- Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 13:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
Chavoux Luyt:
1. You wrote: “While I am totally comfortable that the
patriarchal narrative might have first been written down in Akkadian cuniform
(even likely, since Abraham came from Mesopotamia), I do not see why the
alphabet used in the Wadi el-Hol or Serabit inscriptions (from 19th century BC
and ~1850 BC) would not have been developed enough by the time of Moses
(14th/12th century BC) for the Torah (including the patriarchal narratives) to
be written down in an early alphabetical script. We have evidence of
"Asiatics" (which would include the Hebrews) in Egypt using these
early alphabets, even in Sinai where the Torah was first given.”
There is not a single letter, much less a long,
sophisticated composition like the Patriarchal narratives, that is attested as
coming out of south-central Canaan in any type of alphabet prior to well into the
1st millennium BCE:
“The character of the early Proto-Canaanite and later Old
Canaanite inscriptions is startlingly different than those produced by the
sophisticated scribal institutions and elsewhere in Syria. …The Canaanite linear alphabet in the LB and Iron
I Ages…[r]ather than turning up on caches of tablets as did the Akkadian and
[Ugaritic] alphabetic cuneiform scripts, the earliest examples of the Canaanite
linear alphabet are found on scattered ostraca and vessels at sites throughout
Canaan. Moreover, the Proto-Canaanite
and later Old Canaanite inscriptions tend to be quite brief and prosaic….” Jessica N. Whisenant, “Writing, Literacy, and
Textual Transmission: The Production of
Literary Documents in Iron Age Judah and the Composition of the Hebrew Bible”
(2008), p. 148.
The o-n-l-y significant writing of any kind that is
attested as coming out of south-central Canaan in the Bronze Age consists of
the Amarna Letters, especially in Years 12-14.
That’s it. And that writing is in
Akkadian cuneiform.
There’s no way that “the alphabet used in the Wadi el-Hol or
Serabit inscriptions” could in the 2nd millennium BCE handle the
Patriarchal narratives, which are a long, sophisticated composition. Not.
2. You wrote: “The common usage among ANE scribes of
updating both language and place names would give a good enough explanation for
any 7th century BC influence, without the need for a convoluted theory of long
transmission in cuneiform (when the much simpler alphabet were already known
for centuries).”
I have not proposed “a convoluted theory of long
transmission in cuneiform”. Rather, my theory
is as follows. In the year after
Akhenaten’s death, the former scribe of Jerusalem princeling IR-Heba in
desperation offered his scribal services to the tent-dwelling first Hebrews who
at that time were living in the northeast Ayalon Valley. That scribe then duly recorded on 50
cuneiform tablets the Patriarchal narratives, written in Akkadian cuneiform; but unlike the Amarna Letters, “Canaanite”/pre-Hebrew
was used as the language, rather than the Akkadian language. No Akkadian cuneiform copy was ever
made; there was only the one set of
original cuneiform tablets. King David
had chapters 14 and 49 of Genesis transformed into alphabetical Biblical Hebrew
in the 10th century BCE, which is why those two chapters uniquely have
so many archaic elements. But the rest
of the Patriarchal narratives was transformed into alphabetical Biblical
Hebrew, for the very first time, only in late 7th century BCE Jerusalem,
under King Josiah. That’s why the
spelling and grammar of Hebrew common words in most of the Patriarchal narratives
is virtually indistinguishable from the spelling and grammar of Hebrew common
words in the second half of II Samuel.
[Not long thereafter those original cuneiform tablets were destroyed by
the Babylonians when they sacked Jerusalem and the Temple. Since that day, we have only had copies in
alphabetical Hebrew.]
Whereas modern conventions were used for Hebrew common
words, the proper names in the Patriarchal narratives were not updated, nor was
the substantive content [except for a handful of exceptions, where a small
amount of midrash-type material crept in thanks to various editors over the
centuries]. For the most part, the
substantive content of the Patriarchal narratives has never changed from Year
14 [when it was composed, shortly before it was written down] until the
present. That is the rational reason why
the Patriarchal narratives have
p-i-n-p-o-i-n-t historical accuracy
in describing exactly what historically occurred in Years 12-14, when Judaism
was born. Historically and Biblically,
the birth of Judaism occurred in south-central Canaan under trying
circumstances when Egypt had a strange, troubled pharaoh, and a firstborn son
in the Ayalon Valley [Yapaxu] was making life very difficult for the
tent-dwelling first Hebrews.
Jim
Stinehart
Evanston,
Illinois
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
jimstinehart, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, jimstinehart, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
Chavoux Luyt, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
jimstinehart, 04/06/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
JimStinehart, 04/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/08/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, K Randolph, 04/10/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
George Athas, 04/09/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives,
K Randolph, 04/08/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, JimStinehart, 04/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] II Samuel vs. Patriarchal Narratives, rob acosta, 04/13/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Hebrew was linguistically isolated?,
K Randolph, 04/08/2013
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