Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Steve Miller" <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>]

From: Pere Porta [mailto:pporta7 AT gmail.com] 



(Steve Miller)

Why is there a preposition mini as well as the preposition min? Does this 
happen with other prepositions?

 

Preposition forms ending in -y are common in poetic books, basically Psalms, 
Job and Proverbs. 

And so,

 

--)LY in Job 5:26 compared with )L in Gn 31:3

--(LY in Ps 131:2 compared with )L in Gn 1:2

--)DY in Ps 104:23 compared with )D in Gn 11:31

[Steve Miller] Thanks very much Pere. I did not know that.

 

I do not know why the usual M is missing in our word in Ps 45:9

I know of no other forms of plural lacking the usual final M in the Hebrew 
bible. 

[Steve Miller] Thanks again very much. That is just what I wanted to know. 
Based on that, I think the rendering “string instruments” is wrong. I think 
“from me”, though strange, is possible.


Regards

 

Pere Porta

2011/12/29 Steve Miller <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>

 

From: Pere Porta [mailto:pporta7 AT gmail.com] 

Firstly, Steve, the verse is 9 and not 8.

[Steve Miller] yes, v9 in the Hebrew. Thanks!. I corrected the subject & will 
have to remember to use the Hebrew verse citations.

 

Secondly, "min:y" here has nothing to do with, say, "min:y" in Is 22:4, where 
it equals "min", a preposition. 

[Steve Miller] I was not thinking of examples like Isa 22:4, where it is the 
preposition min + 1st person pronoun suffix. I was thinking of Job 31:7; Ps 
44:19 & others, where mini is just a preposition, where a 1st person pronoun 
suffix meaning is not possible.

 

Thirdly, I think it is difficult to get another sensible way to translate...

[Steve Miller] Yes. I have not been able to come up with another sensible way.

 

Fourthly, a Hebrew sentence can end with a preposition, yes. But... this 
preposition must include a personal suffix.

[Steve Miller] thanks. So then the last word of v9 “they made you glad” must 
go with v9 and not with the next verse. That eliminates a lot of experimental 
translations for me.

 

A couple of other questions:

Why is there a preposition mini as well as the preposition min? Does this 
happen with other prepositions?

Why is the final mem missing from mini in Ps 45:9? Is this common?

 

Thanks.

-Steve Miller

Detroit

 

Kind regards

 

Pere Porta 

 

2011/12/28 Steve Miller <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>

Ps 45:8 Myrrh and aloes, cassia [are] all your garments. From ivory palaces
stringed instruments made you glad.

Is there another sensible way to translate  מני in this verse?
It is supposed to be the same as מנים  in Ps 150:4, with the final mem
truncated.

Mini usually is a preposition meaning “away from”, but that doesn’t seem to
work since a verb follows.

Is it possible for a B-Hebrew sentence to end with a preposition?

Thanks.

Sincerely,
-Steve Miller
Detroit
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-- 
Pere Porta