Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>]

*(Steve Miller)*

*Why is there a preposition mini as well as the preposition min? Does this
happen with other prepositions?*

Preposition forms ending in -y are common in poetic books, basically
Psalms, Job and Proverbs.
And so,

--)LY in Job 5:26 compared with )L in Gn 31:3
--(LY in Ps 131:2 compared with )L in Gn 1:2
--)DY in Ps 104:23 compared with )D in Gn 11:31

I do not know why the usual M is missing in our word in Ps 45:9
I know of no other forms of plural lacking the usual final M in the Hebrew
bible.

Regards

Pere Porta
2011/12/29 Steve Miller <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>

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> *From:* Pere Porta [mailto:pporta7 AT gmail.com]
>
>  Firstly, Steve, the verse is 9 and not 8.****
>
> *[Steve Miller] yes, v9 in the Hebrew. Thanks!. I corrected the subject &
> will have to remember to use the Hebrew verse citations.*
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> Secondly, "min:y" here has nothing to do with, say, "min:y" in Is 22:4,
> where it equals "min", a preposition. ****
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> *[Steve Miller] I was not thinking of examples like Isa 22:4, where it is
> the preposition min + 1st person pronoun suffix. I was thinking of Job
> 31:7; Ps 44:19 & others, where mini is just a preposition, where a 
> 1stperson pronoun suffix meaning is not possible.
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> Thirdly, I think it is difficult to get another *sensible* way to
> translate...****
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> *[Steve Miller] Yes. I have not been able to come up with another
> sensible way.*
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> Fourthly, a Hebrew sentence can end with a preposition, yes. But... this
> preposition must include a personal suffix.****
>
> *[Steve Miller] thanks. So then the last word of v9 “they made you glad”
> must go with v9 and not with the next verse. That eliminates a lot of
> experimental translations for me.*
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> * *
>
> *A couple of other questions:*
>
> *Why is there a preposition mini as well as the preposition min? Does
> this happen with other prepositions?*
>
> *Why is the final mem missing from mini in Ps 45:9? Is this common?*
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks.*
>
> *-Steve Miller*
>
> *Detroit*****
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> Kind regards****
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>  ****
>
> Pere Porta
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> 2011/12/28 Steve Miller <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>****
>
> Ps 45:8 Myrrh and aloes, cassia [are] all your garments. From ivory palaces
> stringed instruments made you glad.
>
> Is there another sensible way to translate  מני in this verse?
> It is supposed to be the same as מנים  in Ps 150:4, with the final mem
> truncated.
>
> Mini usually is a preposition meaning “away from”, but that doesn’t seem to
> work since a verb follows.
>
> Is it possible for a B-Hebrew sentence to end with a preposition?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sincerely,
> -Steve Miller
> Detroit
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Pere Porta