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  • From: "Isaac Fried" <if AT math.bu.edu>
  • To: <steve AT voiceinwilderness.info>, "'Pere Porta'" <pporta7 AT gmail.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ps 45:9 mini
  • Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:46:53 +0200

Don't look for gender and number in the attached and inserted personal pronouns (identity markers.) HI and HU are used indiscriminately for variability. If needed, more markers are added, say, DAT, 'religion', DAT-IY = DAT-HI, 'a religious man', DAT-IY-T = DAT-HI-AT, 'a religious woman'.

The feminine is often (but not always) used for diminution: KAP, 'palm of the hand, spoon', KAP-IY = KAP-ANIY, 'my palm of the hand', KAP-IY-T = KAP-HI-AT, 'tea spoon'.

Another example: ASUR = AS-HU-R, '(he is) bound, imprisoned', ASIYR = AS-HI-R, '(he is a) prisoner'.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Miller" <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Isaac Fried'" <if AT math.bu.edu>; <steve AT voiceinwilderness.info>; "'Pere Porta'" <pporta7 AT gmail.com>
Cc: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:41 AM
Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Ps 45:9 mini


From: Isaac Fried

In Isa. 22:4 MINIY = MIN-ANIY (with the dagesh in the N as expected after a
xirek.) In Job 31:7 MINIY = MIN-HI, with HI היא referring to the road.

[Steve Miller] Thanks Isaac. But if מני = מן + היא, wouldn't I would expect it to be used just with feminine and common objects, but it is used with masculine objects, i.e. Job 20:4; Ps 88:9. I don't see it being used with any feminine objects.

I notice that in TUMATIY = TUMAH-ATIY the M is with a dagesh as expected
after a qubuc, in TITEH the T (tet) is with a dagesh as expected after a xirik, in
A$URIY = A$UR-ANIY the $ is with a dagesh as expected after a patax, in
HADAREK the D is as expected with a dagesh after a patax, in LIBIY=LEB-ANIY
the B is with a dagesh as expected after a xirik, and the P in UBKAPAY is with a
dagesh as expected after a patax.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

> [Steve Miller] I was not thinking of examples like Isa 22:4, where it
> is the preposition min + 1st person pronoun suffix. I was thinking of
> Job 31:7; Ps 44:19 & others, where mini is just a preposition, where a
> 1st person pronoun suffix meaning is not possible.


Sincerely,
-Steve Miller
Detroit
www.voiceInWilderness.info
Hearken daughter, consider.
Also incline your ear.
And forget your own people
and father’s house so dear.
So shall the King desire
your beauty so greatly,
for He alone is Your Lord.
Worship Him truthfully. (Ps 45:10-11)









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