Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Petr Tomasek <tomasek AT etf.cuni.cz>]

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 05:37:15AM +0100, Pere Porta wrote:
> *(Steve Miller)*
> 
> *Why is there a preposition mini as well as the preposition min? Does this
> happen with other prepositions?*
> 
> Preposition forms ending in -y are common in poetic books, basically
> Psalms, Job and Proverbs.
> And so,
> 
> --)LY in Job 5:26 compared with )L in Gn 31:3
> --(LY in Ps 131:2 compared with )L in Gn 1:2
> --)DY in Ps 104:23 compared with )D in Gn 11:31

But על and אל (not shure about עד) have ethymologically y/h as
the third radical, whereas with מן this is (if I recall correctly)
the old semitic case-ending for the genitive.

> I do not know why the usual M is missing in our word in Ps 45:9
> I know of no other forms of plural lacking the usual final M in the Hebrew
> bible.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pere Porta
> 2011/12/29 Steve Miller <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>
> 
> >  ** **
> >
> > *From:* Pere Porta [mailto:pporta7 AT gmail.com]
> >
> >  Firstly, Steve, the verse is 9 and not 8.****
> >
> > *[Steve Miller] yes, v9 in the Hebrew. Thanks!. I corrected the subject &
> > will have to remember to use the Hebrew verse citations.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > Secondly, "min:y" here has nothing to do with, say, "min:y" in Is 22:4,
> > where it equals "min", a preposition. ****
> >
> > *[Steve Miller] I was not thinking of examples like Isa 22:4, where it is
> > the preposition min + 1st person pronoun suffix. I was thinking of Job
> > 31:7; Ps 44:19 & others, where mini is just a preposition, where a 
> > 1stperson pronoun suffix meaning is not possible.
> > *
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Thirdly, I think it is difficult to get another *sensible* way to
> > translate...****
> >
> > *[Steve Miller] Yes. I have not been able to come up with another
> > sensible way.*
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Fourthly, a Hebrew sentence can end with a preposition, yes. But... this
> > preposition must include a personal suffix.****
> >
> > *[Steve Miller] thanks. So then the last word of v9 “they made you glad”
> > must go with v9 and not with the next verse. That eliminates a lot of
> > experimental translations for me.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *A couple of other questions:*
> >
> > *Why is there a preposition mini as well as the preposition min? Does
> > this happen with other prepositions?*
> >
> > *Why is the final mem missing from mini in Ps 45:9? Is this common?*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Thanks.*
> >
> > *-Steve Miller*
> >
> > *Detroit*****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Kind regards****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Pere Porta
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > 2011/12/28 Steve Miller <smille10 AT sbcglobal.net>****
> >
> > Ps 45:8 Myrrh and aloes, cassia [are] all your garments. From ivory 
> > palaces
> > stringed instruments made you glad.
> >
> > Is there another sensible way to translate  מני in this verse?
> > It is supposed to be the same as מנים  in Ps 150:4, with the final mem
> > truncated.
> >
> > Mini usually is a preposition meaning “away from”, but that doesn’t seem 
> > to
> > work since a verb follows.
> >
> > Is it possible for a B-Hebrew sentence to end with a preposition?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > -Steve Miller
> > Detroit
> > www.voiceInWilderness.info <http://www.voiceinwilderness.info/>
> > In this time you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need
> > be,
> > you have been made sorrowful by many trials. (1 Pet 1:6)****
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pere Porta
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