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[David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>]

[b-hebrew] Was the MT for public consumption?

fred burlingame tensorpath at gmail.com 
on Thu Dec 23 09:19:30 EST 2010  wrote:
"You could be correct. I was not present at that time.

But .... when manufacture of a single book the size of the bible consumes
years of one scribe's full time effort, .... it seems improbable that the
masoretic text resulted for any, but a relatively few teachers; and
surely
not the general population of millions of consumers.
"
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Dave writes,
I wonder if the introduction of inexpensive BHS texts in the 20th
century, which can 
probably be purchased for less than $60.00, has opened the door to the
Codex L. for 
public consumption. 
I suspect that much of the public, had discovered their first interest in
the Hebrew 
Language through Strong's Concordance, as they checked the vowel points
found in Hebrew 
Word #3068, [i.e. Yehovah] and discovered that they were not the same as
the vowel 
points that were found in "Adonai".

Wikipedia writes:
In modern times, the Leningrad Codex is most important as the Hebrew text
reproduced in Biblia Hebraica (1937) and Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia
(1977). It also serves scholars as a primary source for the recovery of
details in the missing parts of the Aleppo Codex.
Of course in my particular case, I purchased a facsimile of Codex L. for
about $260.00
for the expressed purpose of discovering if the holem 
in (yod-shewa-heh-defective holem-waw-qamets-heh),
was directly above the waw which also had a qamets directly beneath it.

Back in 1991 a sacred name ministry was claiming that Jehovah was known
to be a false 
punctuation of God's Hebrew name because the waw had two different vowel
points 
attached to it. 

Well I discovered that the holem was not directly above the waw/vav in
Codex L.
However, later I discovered that Codex L. had 6 different variants of
YHWH, and during
my examination of those six different variants of YHWH, I decided that
the Masoretes 
probably did want the Jewish reader to read "Adonai" when he or she saw
two of those
variants of YHWH, and that the Masoretes probably did want the Jewish
reader to read 
"Elohim" when he or she saw the other four of the six other variants of
WHWH 
in Codex L. 

However, maybe the question should be asked:
"Did the Inexpensive BHS Text in the 20th century, 
as well as inexpensive Ben Chayyim Hebrew Texts,
as well as Strong's Concordance,
open up the MT to public consumption?"

Dave Donnelly
 


 
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The printing press and its descendant barnes & noble, did indeed open the
leningrad codex ("Codex") to public consumption.

Whether the Codex records the truth or error in all or parts of it, seems
inclined more towards faith, rather than fact. And as I am instructed daily
here ...., matters of faith become out of bounds here.

But ... that being said ... you might want to look at 1 chronicles 15:18.
Five of the names appearing in that verse adopted the first 3/4's of the
name that interests you, =D7=99=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94, for the latter 1/4 of th=
ose davidic orchestra
members' names. This phenomenon commonly occurs across the masoretic text.

And the pronunciation markers or vowel pointing of that portion of =D7=99=
=D7=94=D7=95=D7=94 in
those proper names, never changes throughout the Codex. Perhaps the solutio=
n
to your puzzle appears right before your eyes.

regards,

fred burlingame

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:30 AM, David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>w=
rote:

> [b-hebrew] Was the MT for public consumption?
>
> fred burlingame tensorpath at gmail.com
> on Thu Dec 23 09:19:30 EST 2010  wrote:
> "You could be correct. I was not present at that time.
>
> But .... when manufacture of a single book the size of the bible consumes
> years of one scribe's full time effort, .... it seems improbable that the
> masoretic text resulted for any, but a relatively few teachers; and
> surely
> not the general population of millions of consumers.
> "
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> Dave writes,
> I wonder if the introduction of inexpensive BHS texts in the 20th
> century, which can
> probably be purchased for less than $60.00, has opened the door to the
> Codex L. for
> public consumption.
> I suspect that much of the public, had discovered their first interest in
> the Hebrew
> Language through Strong's Concordance, as they checked the vowel points
> found in Hebrew
> Word #3068, [i.e. Yehovah] and discovered that they were not the same as
> the vowel
> points that were found in "Adonai".
>
> Wikipedia writes:
> In modern times, the Leningrad Codex is most important as the Hebrew text
> reproduced in Biblia Hebraica (1937) and Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia
> (1977). It also serves scholars as a primary source for the recovery of
> details in the missing parts of the Aleppo Codex.
> Of course in my particular case, I purchased a facsimile of Codex L. for
> about $260.00
> for the expressed purpose of discovering if the holem
> in (yod-shewa-heh-defective holem-waw-qamets-heh),
> was directly above the waw which also had a qamets directly beneath it.
>
> Back in 1991 a sacred name ministry was claiming that Jehovah was known
> to be a false
> punctuation of God's Hebrew name because the waw had two different vowel
> points
> attached to it.
>
> Well I discovered that the holem was not directly above the waw/vav in
> Codex L.
> However, later I discovered that Codex L. had 6 different variants of
> YHWH, and during
> my examination of those six different variants of YHWH, I decided that
> the Masoretes
> probably did want the Jewish reader to read "Adonai" when he or she saw
> two of those
> variants of YHWH, and that the Masoretes probably did want the Jewish
> reader to read
> "Elohim" when he or she saw the other four of the six other variants of
> WHWH
> in Codex L.
>
> However, maybe the question should be asked:
> "Did the Inexpensive BHS Text in the 20th century,
> as well as inexpensive Ben Chayyim Hebrew Texts,
> as well as Strong's Concordance,
> open up the MT to public consumption?"
>
> Dave Donnelly
>
>
>
>
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