Biblical Hebrew Forum

[David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>]

K Randolph kwrandolph at gmail.com 
Fri Dec 24 08:06:48 EST 2010  wrote:

"The Leningrad Codex is merely a preservation of a document that was
written
mostly during that period, with additional marks to aid the non-scholar
in
its reading."

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Isn't the text of the Leningrad Codex believed to be an accurate
representation of the pronunciation of  a 
much earlier  "Unpointed Hebrew Text" as it was preserved in  a Jewish
Oral Tradition?

Or did an earlier version of a Masoretic Text accomplish the preservation
of the pronunciation of the "Unpointed Hebrew Text"?

It was my impression that every variant of YHWH found in Codex L. that is
now rendered as "Adonai", and that every variant of YHWH found in Codex
L. that is now rendered as "Elohim",  was pointed as it is today, because
of  information found in a preserved oral tradition of  how the Jewish
people pronounced  the "Unpointed Hebrew Text  of their day. 
 
Don't the consonants that occur in the Leningrad Codex almost match
perfectly with those consonants found in the dead sea scrolls? 


Dave Donnelly 
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hello Karl;

i see no more speculation in my comments, than your statements concerning
what happened 1400-700 b.c.; or 400 b.c.

regards,

fred burlingame

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 7:06 AM, K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com> wrote:

> Fred:
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:34 PM, fred burlingame <tensorpath AT gmail.com>wr=
ote:
>
>> =85
>> a. If, in 2010, =85
>> b. and =85
>> c. =85
>>
>
> Your argument is highly speculative, with no way of really answering them=
.
> There are too many stated and implied =93if=94s.
>
>>
>> =85
>> Likewise, the language of the leningrad codex=85
>>
>
> Why do you keep emphasizing the Leningrad Codex and its times? That=92s n=
ot
> Biblical Hebrew. Biblical Hebrew is that which was spoken and written fro=
m
> about 1400=96700 BC.
>
> The Leningrad Codex is merely a preservation of a document that was writt=
en
> mostly during that period, with additional marks to aid the non-scholar i=
n
> its reading.
>
>>
>> =85
>> Was the situation different in 600 b.c., when presumably the leningrad
>> codex language was commonly in use? =85. So, to say that the hebrew peop=
le
>> could understand the words of the tanakh in 600 b.c., without help from =
the
>> priests .... seems against history. (not to mention nehemiah 8:8).
>>
>
> Slight correction, Nehemiah 8 describes an event that happened around 400
> BC after Hebrew was no longer used as a mother tongue, but was still a
> living, changing language because of its widespread use as a second
> language.
>
>>
>> It would also be interesting to know the literacy rates for biblical
>> hebrew
>> in persons attending american synagogues today, where hebrew books readi=
ly
>> available. 50%?
>>
>
> Irrelevant to a study of Biblical Hebrew.
>
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> fred burlingame
>>
>> Karl W. Randolph.
>
>