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- From: fred burlingame <tensorpath AT gmail.com>
- To: Paul Zellmer <pzellmer AT sc.rr.com>
- Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key
- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 21:28:48 -0500
Hello Paul:
I agree with your comments.
I would observe however, that in this particular case, we have:
a. a parent hebrew verb with a meaning to bore or pierce;
b. a child hebrew noun with two alternate meanings of wealth/goods and army;
c. and such two noun definitions used in two verses of close physical and
subject matter proximity.
The richness of these connections gives the hebrew reading consumer of the
verses an entirely different understanding, than the disconnected english
words reveal to the english reading consumer.
Much of the hebrew meaning survives translation, not. Hence, the hebrew
language appears locked to english or greek or any other language
translation.
regards,
fred burlingame
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Paul Zellmer <pzellmer AT sc.rr.com> wrote:
> Fred,
>
> The Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT) has a good article
> explaining the relationships of the various usages of the word. Basically,
> both of the cases here would be considered idiomatic in the field of
> translation. When translating idioms, one needs to almost always find the
> underlying meaning behind the idiom as opposed to the actual words used and
> translate that concept. This is because a direct, literal translation of
> the idiom from one language to another yields either zero meaning or
> incorrect meaning.
>
> This is not just true in translating Hebrew to English--it is the case when
> you go from any language to another. It is especially true if the languages
> are not closely related.
>
> Paul Zellmer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:
> b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of fred burlingame
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:06 PM
> To: B-Hebrew
> Subject: [b-hebrew] lock without a key
>
> Hello all:
>
> a little arithmetic.
>
> 1 = 2; or 2 = 2
>
> Biblical hebrew ("BH") language enjoys a unique characteristic. The
> language
> frequently employs a single word, twice or more, in physical proximity.
> The single word however, denotes a different meaning in each location.
>
> Translations capture the different meanings of the single word, but lose
> the
> connexity of the verses, and the depth of the single hebrew word in the
> process. Witness: חיל :
>
> וישבו בני ישראל נשי מדין ואת טפם ואת כל בהמתם ואת כל מקנהם ואת כל חילם בזזו
>
> numbers 31:9
>
> ויקצף משה על פקודי החיל שרי האלפים ושרי המאות הבאים מצבא המלחמה
>
> numbers 31:14
>
> And so, the question arises. Does BH contained a lock that prevents
> translation?
>
> regards,
>
> fred burlingame
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
fred burlingame, 11/01/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
Paul Zellmer, 11/01/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
fred burlingame, 11/01/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
George Athas, 11/02/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key, fred burlingame, 11/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
pastormattfbcrankin, 11/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
fred burlingame, 11/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
Donald Vance, 11/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
fred burlingame, 11/02/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key, Isaac Fried, 11/02/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key, fred burlingame, 11/03/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key, Isaac Fried, 11/03/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key, Arnaud Fournet, 11/03/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
fred burlingame, 11/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
Donald Vance, 11/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
fred burlingame, 11/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
George Athas, 11/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] lock without a key,
fred burlingame, 11/01/2010
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