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- From: Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh
- Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:02:44 +0200
Jim,
Both you and Kevin are wrong.
The phenomenon of doubling ("gemination") consonants exists in all Semitic
languages. In those ancient Semitic languages that were written in Cuneiform,
the doubling is visible when the same consonant is written in two adjacent
syllables (like shar-ru for "king"). In alphabetic writing, the doubling is
not visible, unless we use diacritics. In the case of (biblical) Hebrew and
(biblical) Aramaic, we have the Masoretic dagesh. In the case of Arabic, we
have the Shadda, which has the same function.
So what Hebrew and Aramaic have in common is not the phenomenon of doubling,
but rather the fact that the texts that we read were "dotted" by the
Masoretes.
Yigal Levin
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Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh
Kevin Riley wrote: “While the change [--] … doubling the letter, placing
a dagesh within it, or any other device one can think of… [--] is unique to
Aramaic and Hebrew (or, at least, the marking of it is) among the Semitic
languages, it is a process that is familiar to most linguists. There is no
need for an external influence, especially for one that ceased to exist
centuries before we have any evidence of lenition existing in Hebrew and
Aramaic.
By natural, homegrown linguistic processes Hebrew and Aramaic came to have
lenited and unlenited consonants.”
Something seems seriously askew here.
1. Early Biblical Hebrew was born in the heart of beloved Canaan.
Aramaic, by sharp contrast, was born way out in eastern Syria. Why, then,
would
Hebrew and Aramaic be the only Semitic languages that have the dagesh
phenomenon of doubled consonants? What is the common denominator between
Hebrew and
Aramaic, which does not extend to the other Semitic languages? Could that
unique common denominator be the presence and influence of Hurrian at the
birth of each of early Biblical Hebrew and Aramaic, a presence that did not
apply to the birth of the other Semitic languages? I view the first Hebrews
as living in the mid-14th century BCE, which is precisely the time of the
short-lived dominance of many cities in Canaan by Hurrian princelings.
Aramaic
was obviously born in the Hurrian heartland.
-
[b-hebrew] Dagesh,
JimStinehart, 10/25/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh, Yigal Levin, 10/25/2010
-
Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Bryant J. Williams III, 10/26/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Kevin Riley, 10/26/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh, Isaac Fried, 10/26/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Kevin Riley, 10/26/2010
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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[b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Randall Buth, 10/26/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh, Isaac Fried, 10/26/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
JimStinehart, 10/27/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh, Randall Buth, 10/27/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Yigal Levin, 10/28/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Kevin Riley, 10/28/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Yigal Levin, 10/28/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh, Will Parsons, 10/28/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Yigal Levin, 10/28/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Isaac Fried, 10/28/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Pere Porta, 10/29/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Isaac Fried, 10/29/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh, Arnaud Fournet, 10/29/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh, Yigal Levin, 10/29/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Isaac Fried, 10/29/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh, fred burlingame, 10/29/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Pere Porta, 10/29/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh,
Kevin Riley, 10/28/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Dagesh, Kevin Riley, 10/28/2010
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