Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>]

Dear Fred,

For the particular passages in question, Luke 4:18 and Isaiah 61:1 and 58:6, 
see
David W. Pao and Eckhard J. Schnabel, "Luke,"
pp 287-290.

"D. Textual Matters. This quotation  (Isa. 61:1-2 with 58:6) is likely to have
been drawn from the LXX, which accurately reflects the sense of the MT except
for the infinitive clause 'liqro... vela 'asurim peqah-qoah ('to proclaim...
release for the prisoners') which was translated as KHRUXAI..TUFLOIS 
ANABLEPSIN
('to proclaim...sight to the blind ones'). The interchangeability of these 
ideas
may support the interpretation of the infinitive clauses that use different
metaphors to refer to the same reality: the reversal of the fortune of Israel.
In any case, the exact sense of the Hebrew text is uncertain,m and the LXX may
have provided a legitimate rendering of the clause (see Kimball 1994n: 100).

    Luke's quotation follows the LXX, with four changes: (1) the clause 
IASASQAI
TOUS SUNTETRIMMENOUS TH KARDIA ('to heal the brokenhearted' [Isa. 61:1c] is
omitted;  (2) a clause from Isa. 58:6 is inserted Luke 4:18: APOSTEILAI
TEQRAUSMENOUS EN AFESEI ('to let the oppressed go free'), and the LXX of Isa.
58:6 has APOSTELLE instead of APOSTEILAI; (3) Luke 4:19 has KHRUXAI ('to
proclaim') instead of KALESAI ('to declare') of Isa. 61:2; and (4) the 
Isaianic
quotation in Luke 4:19 stopes with phrase ENIAUTON KURIOU DEKTON ('a year of 
the
Lord's favor') without including the final part of Ias. 61:2." (pp. 288-289)

There is more, but check out the entire section. Furthermore, it appears that
when looks at the quotation here and other quotations in Luke that the source
would most likely be Mary and other witnesses when Luke was in Caesarea when
Paul was 2 years in prison by the Roman governor Felix, ca. 58-60 AD (Acts
24:27).

Finally, just like those who proclaim the existence of "Q" when there is no
evidence of any kind (see Stephen Carlson and Mark Goodacre for the evidence, 
so
also this claim that a Hebrew vorlage of the NT existed before the Greek
vorlage. It does and never did exist. Papias' claim that Matthew wrote in the
Hebrew dialect could refer more to the Hebrew writing style than to language.

Please, let's get back to Biblical Hebrew!!!??

En Xristwi,

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fred burlingame" <tensorpath AT gmail.com>
To: "Barry H." <nebarry AT verizon.net>
Cc: "B-Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] the hellenization of isaiah


> Hello Barry:
>
> I attempted a narrow, single point at the commencement of this thread, to
> wit:
>
> the balanced and symmetrical isaiah 61:1 in the classical, original, hebrew
> text, ... lost its symmetry and balance through two iterations of greek
> translation; first, the septuagint old testament; and second, the greek luke
> 4:18 rendering.
>
> That single fact received much comment, but refutation not.
>
> The conclusions that may or may not attach to such fact vary with opinions
> of posters.
>
> But the fact of the superiority of the hebrew rendering of isaiah 61:1, over
> the greek, withstands reasonable attack.
>
> Regards,
>
> fred burlingame
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Barry H. <nebarry AT verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: fred burlingame
> > To: Barry H.
> > Cc: B-Hebrew
> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:44 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] the hellenization of isaiah
> >
> >
> >  What's happening here in part; i mention a single verse (such isaiah
> >> 61:1); and the response immediate = "that single verse proves nothing." I
> >> agree; it is but one piece of the puzzle.
> >>
> >
> > When all of the trees in the forest are observed however, a different
> >> conclusion arrives.
> >>
> >
> > But so far, each piece of your puzzle has been shown to have substantive
> > objections, and you have not even begun to answer all the arguments 
> > against
> > your position.
> >
> > If none of the trees are oak, then you don't have an oak forest.
> >
> >
> > N.E. Barry Hofstetter, semper melius Latine sonat...
> > Classics and Bible Instructor, TAA
> > http://www.theamericanacademy.net
> > (2010 Salvatori Excellence in Education Winner)
> > V-P of Academic Affairs, TNARS
> > bhofstetter AT tnars.net
> > http://www.tnars.net
> >
> > http://my.opera.com/barryhofstetter/blog
> > http://mysite.verizon.net/nebarry
> >
> >
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