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- From: Garth Grenache <garthgrenache AT hotmail.com>
- To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem
- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:04:09 +1000
Hi Will, Yitzhak, all,
Yitzhak asked:
> As for the diphthong -- yes, a reading
> with a simple long [e:]/[?:]/[?:] would
> be consistent with the evidence.
> However, I think the use of a yodh
> is telling. In other examples where
> a long [i:] develops to a long [e:]
> such as in the case of a participle
> [qo:te:l] (from [qa:ti:l]) we don't
> see a yodh. Perhaps though there are
> similarly rare instances that have a
> yodh in such participles. Can anyone
> here check that up?
I don't think the active participle was qa:ti:l, but simply qa:tilu > qo:te:l.
I've not seen anyone suggest qa:ti:l until now.
What is the evidence/reasoning behind this form?
But as we seem to agree that the y was added into Yerushalem late 1st mill
BCE...
I think I read somewhere that the longer spelling is found on some coin or
official document of the time.
Perhaps as it was such a common word, and represents an authority centre,
the fuller spelling (marking its long closed final vowel) became easily
officialized and spread by such use.
Around that time the final tsere in popular 'el names, such as Michael and
Gabriel became written with 'YL.
It may just be that Jerusalem's new spelling made it into the MT through it
being a popular name so that it's improved spelling became well known,
widespread and standard.
Garth.
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem, Yitzhak Sapir, 07/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
George Athas, 07/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Yigal Levin, 07/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
George Athas, 07/08/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem, Yitzhak Sapir, 07/08/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem, K Randolph, 07/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
George Athas, 07/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Will Parsons, 07/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
George Athas, 07/11/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Will Parsons, 07/11/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem, James Christian, 07/11/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Will Parsons, 07/11/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
George Athas, 07/11/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Yigal Levin, 07/08/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Garth Grenache, 07/08/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem, Yitzhak Sapir, 07/09/2010
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[b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Garth Grenache, 07/10/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem, Yitzhak Sapir, 07/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Garth Grenache, 07/11/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/12/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem, Will Parsons, 07/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem,
Yitzhak Sapir, 07/12/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem, Garth Grenache, 07/13/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Jerusalem, Yitzhak Sapir, 07/13/2010
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