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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew
- From: jimstinehart AT aol.com
- To: yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com, b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew
- Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:07:01 -0400
Yitzhak Sapir:
You wrote: “There is no evidence at all that the Kassite name for Babylonia
- Karaduniash - ever had an /sh/ in the first or second syllable. It wasn't
Ka-shraduniash,
or Kash-raduniash, or Ka-sh-raduniash. There was simply no /sh/ at all.
Even if there were, it would not be transcribed in Hebrew as Ka&dim. It is
not "likely" that there was an /sh/ either. You and Karl and James have a
habit of saying something is likely when really you have no evidence for it
at all. That's now [not?] how it works in scholarship! In scholarship,
something is likely if you can show evidence that it is reasonable and
likely. If your evidence that the Kassite name for Babylonia had a /sh/ is
from the Hebrew name Ka&dim, then that makes your theory circular.”
A. For starters, you are factually wrong about the evidence for the
scholarly view that K$DYM is a forerunner of the name Kaldu. If pressed,
scholars will admit that there is n-o-t-h-i-n-g in the secular history of
the ancient world to support their view as to that. There is not a single
inscription from the ancient world (excluding the Bible) that ever refers to
the Chaldeans by using a term that has $ or %, etc., instead of L, for the
second consonant in their name. Historically, the Chaldeans were Kaldu from
day #1.
B. Since this is the second time that you have in effect asked me for my
analysis of K$DYM at Genesis 11: 28, 31, I hope the moderators will allow me
to set it forth here.
(1) As previously noted, Ka-$ra in the original Kassite likely came out as
Ka-ra in the Akkadian cuneiform of the Amarna Letters sent from Kassite
Babylonia. The Akkadian scribes had dropped the shin/$ in order to avoid a
very awkward consonant cluster in the Kassite pronunciation. Adding back in
that dropped shin/$ restores Ka-$ra. [Compare Ka-$a-ra in Sanskrit, being
the auspicious 7th mountain in the Rig Veda. But in Kassite it was likely
only two syllables: Ka-$ra. In Sanskrit, it is perhaps possible that it
could even have been a single syllable! Kr$a is well-attested in Sanskrit
(though possibly there may be an undisclosed syllable break). In any event,
it is absolutely clear that $ra is one of the most common single syllables in
the entire Sanskrit language, which indeed is one of the signature elements
[along with similar consonant clusters like BRA, GRA, PRA, etc.] of all
Indo-European languages. Accordingly, it is likely that the Kassites, whose
names are often based on Sanskrit words, could effortlessly pronounce $ra as
a single syllable, just as we can in English (so very unlike Semitic
speakers), such as shrill, shriek, shrewd, shredded, etc.] The Hebrew
author of the Patriarchal narratives chose to render this portion of the
Kassite name of Kassite Babylonia as Ka-$a, so that his Hebrew audience would
easily make the connection between the Ka$-$u people [“Kassites” in English],
and the Kassite name of Kassite Babylonia.
We have so far accounted for the first two letters of the name K$DYM at
Genesis 11: 28, 31. The name at Amarna Letter EA 200: 9 is Ka-ra-du-ni-a$;
and at Amarna Letter EA 255: 21 it’s Ka-ra-du-ni-ia-a$. But as to those
first two syllables, Ka-ra in the Amarna Letters reflects an original Ka-$ra
in Kassite, and the Hebrew version of that is Ka-$a [not Ka-ra]. The Hebrew
author may not have known that Ka-ra was an Akkadian simplification of
Kassite Ka-$ra. But the Hebrew author needed to make sure that his Hebrew
audience would know that he was talking about Ur in contemporary [Late Bronze
Age] times, under the Kassites, not ancient Ur which, in the Early Bronze
Age, had dominated all of Mesopotamia. So the Hebrew author brilliantly
chose to use Ka-$a as the first two syllables of the Hebrew version of the
Kassite name of Kassite Babylonia. The Hebrew author himself knew the name
Karaduniash from the Amarna Letters, but not many other early Hebrews knew
that strange name of that very faraway place. Given the specific situation,
it made sense for the Hebrew author to choose to deviate from the
Akkadianized version of the Kassite name of Kassite Babylonia in the Amarna
Letters.
(2) Now let’s move on, at long last, to analyzing the rest of the name
Ka-ra-du-ni-ia-a$ in the Akkadian cuneiform of the Amarna Letters [known by
the Hebrew author of Genesis 11: 28, 31, but likely not known by most of his
Hebrew audience]. The third and fourth syllables, du-ni, probably derive
from dun, attested in Hurrian, and ultimately deriving from Sanskrit “tanoti”
[with Kassite names often being based on Sanskrit words], meaning “to win,
overpower” and/or “to stretch, extend”. From the Fournet/Bomhard Hurrian
language website:
“du-ú-n- (< *t‚-) ‘to win, to overpower’ (Catsanicos 1996) *ten-/*ton-/*t‚-
‘to stretch, to extend’ (Pokorny 1959:1065—1066; Walde 1927—1932.I:722—724;
Mann 1984—1987:1379, 1381, 1382, 1403, 1404, 1404—1405, and 1405) Sanskrit
‘tanóti’ ‘to extend, to spread, to stretch; to be protracted, to continue, to
endure; to put forth; (passive) to be put forth or extended, to increase’”
The Kassites had a unique god named “Duniash”, featuring du-ni, and indeed
being the same as everything in Karaduniash after the initial Ka-ra. With
dun as the root, and –iash as a standard Kassite suffix, that Kassite god’s
name likely meant “Overpowerer”. The unique part of that god’s name was dun,
which per the foregoing Hurrian analysis appears to be based on the Sanskrit
word tanoti. [Our knowledge of Kassite is largely limited to names of
Kassite gods and kings, so any Kassite analysis must rely heavily on such
names.]
Regarding the Kassite name of Kassite Babylonia, the meaning is that the
Ka$-$u people, being the Zagros Mountain people, now “extend”/dun to, and/or
have “overpowered”/dun, the low-lying plain of southern Mesopotamia.
Although in full form this word dun includes an N, we know that in an
abbreviated form it can be merely Du- or tu-, or even just D- or t-. That is
to say, the key part of this component of the Kassite name for Kassite
Babylonia was D [ignoring vowel sounds]. So the third key consonant in the
Kassite name of Kassite Babylonia is dalet/D.
(3) Thus we have now isolated the three key consonants in the Kassite name
for Kassite Babylonia. The first two key consonants are Ka-$a [using neutral
vowels to show the syllable breaks]. [This compares to Ka-ra in the Amarna
Letters, and Ka-$ra in the original Kassite.] The only other key consonant
is then Da. [This corresponds to du-ni in the Amarna Letters. We are
ignoring the particular vowel sounds (since unpointed Hebrew text does not
show vowels), so the U after the D is irrelevant. Although the N would be
there in full form, scholars agree that the N is not necessary.]
In Hebrew we have K$-D + standard Hebrew ending, as the Hebraized version of
the Kassite name for Kassite Babylonia at Genesis 11: 28, 31.
(4) One standard Hebrew suffix to indicate a people or country was –YM. We
see that suffix -YM for the Rephaim [RP) + YM], Egypt [MCR + YM], and Naharim
[NHR + YM]. [The –YM suffix here is comparable to “ites” in English, as in
the English word “Kassites”, where the “Kass-“ portion is a transliteration
of the Kassite language pronunciation, but the “-ites” portion, by contrast,
is pure English and has nothing to do with anything in the Kassite language.]
(5) Conclusion. If the Hebrew author of Genesis 11: 28, 31 lived in the
Late Bronze Age and was brilliant and wanted to create a Hebraized version of
the Kassite name of Kassite Babylonia, the best possible result would be what
we see in the received text of Genesis: K$DYM. That’s K$-D + YM. The K$
represents Ka-$a, for the Ka$-$u people from the Zagros Mountains [where
ku-$a in Sanskrit refers to fine, sharp qualities of a mountain, and Ka-$a-ra
is even better, being the wondrous 7th mountain in the Rig Veda], and
[whether knowingly or not] is a slightly simplified version of the Kassite
2-syllable version of Sanskrit Ka-$a-ra: Ka-$ra. The D represents Du, and
is an abbreviated version of Du-ni [also from Sanskrit], where the nun/N was
optional. D- means “extend” or “overpower”, as the Zagros Mountain people
now “extend” to, having “overpowered”, southern Mesopotamia. The –YM suffix
is one of the standard Hebrew suffixes for a people or country.
We have explained all 5 letters in K$DYM, and all 3 components of the name:
K$ + D + YM. K$DYM at Genesis 11: 28, 31 makes perfect sense as the ideal
Hebrew rendering of the Kassite name for Kassite Babylonia.
Based on what is historically attested, it’s clear that K$DYM at Genesis 11:
28, 31 is a fine early Hebrew rendering of the Kassite name for Kassite
Babylonia, with there being no historical anachronism of any type. The
second letter is shin/$, in order to make sure that the Hebrew audience knows
that this is Ur of the Kassites/Ka$-$u, not Ur of the Sumerians. The
reference to the Kassites for the original Hebrew audience, and for us today,
is explicitly telling us the time period of the Patriarchal Age and of the
composition of the Patriarchal narratives: the Late Bronze Age. It’s not
1st millennium BCE fiction, as scholars would have it.
Jim Stinehart
Evanston, Illinois
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew
, (continued)
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
James Christian, 06/13/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
James Christian, 06/13/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
Bryant J. Williams III, 06/13/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
robertsumner0110, 06/13/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew, James Christian, 06/14/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew, jimstinehart, 06/14/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew, George Athas, 06/14/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
robertsumner0110, 06/13/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
Bryant J. Williams III, 06/13/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
Kevin Riley, 06/13/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew, Yigal Levin, 06/13/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew, K Randolph, 06/14/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
James Christian, 06/13/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
James Christian, 06/13/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew, Yitzhak Sapir, 06/14/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
K Randolph, 06/15/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
James Christian, 06/15/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
Kevin Riley, 06/15/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew, K Randolph, 06/16/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew, Stoney Breyer, 06/16/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
Kevin Riley, 06/15/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Initial Consonant Clusters in Biblical Hebrew,
James Christian, 06/15/2010
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