Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Kevin Riley <klriley AT alphalink.com.au>]

Or it could be an Italian form of an old German word for Germans, 
perhaps inherited from the Lombards?  It would then be cognate with not 
only Tysk, but also Deutsch and a whole host of other words used to 
refer to the language of Germanic people - we even have the word 
'Teutonic' in English.  That is, of course, if you actually believe in 
cognates being useful, otherwise it is probably just a coincidence.

Kevin Riley

On 16/06/2010 5:07 AM, James Christian wrote:
> Italian 'tedesco' is actually a very good example. Thanks Karl. Italian
> refers to Germany as germania and germanico and germanici would be the
> expected way to speak about the Germans. But, as you note, we get this
> irregular 'tedesco' form. I don't if this is true but I was taught that
> 'tedesco' in some old Italian dialect meant something like 'friend' or
> 'comrade' and the neighbouring Germans were considered allies and given this
> nickname that stuck.
>
> James Christian
>
> On 15 June 2010 18:16, K Randolph<kwrandolph AT gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>    
> > Jim:
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:53 AM,<JimStinehart AT aol.com>  wrote:
> >
> >      
> > > Yitzhak Sapir:
> > >
> > > You just made my point.  Outside of the Bible, there’s  n-o-t-h-i-n-g  in
> > > the secular history of the ancient world that documents use of the word
> > > Kasdim, or anything similar to Kasdim, to refer to the Kaldu/Chaldeans.
> > >   That’s
> > > my point exactly.  If people learn nothing else from this thread, this
> > > thread
> > > will have done invaluable service.
> > >
> > > Isn’t it a bit scary that scholars consistently “forget” to mention that
> > > there is no inscription from the ancient world [outside of the Bible]
> > >        
> > that
> >      
> > > refers to the Chaldeans as Kasdim?
> > >
> > >        
> > In Italian they refer to a people known as “Tedesco” which is mentioned by
> > no other language or country. Isn’t it scary that no other language or
> > people knows about this people? There is n-o-t-h-i-n-g in other Romance
> > languages (French, Spanish, Romanian, etc.) that even remotely resembles
> > this name.
> >
> > Now wouldn’t it be a great service to show how the Scandinavians learned
> > their word “Tysk” from the Italians?
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, no scholar has ever attempted a serious
> > comparison of Tedesco with Tysk as mentioned here. Isn’t that a bit scary?
> >
> > If anyone mentioned the theory as proposed in the above three paragraphs,
> > he
> > would be the laughing stock of the scholarly world, especially were he to
> > word it in the terms used above. At least in this example, the
> > Scandinavians
> > and Italians refer to the same people.
> >
> > Now we come to your theory…
> >
> >      
> > > 3.  To the best of my knowledge, no scholar has ever attempted a serious
> > > comparison of K$DYM at Genesis 11: 28, 31 to Karaduniash [as I set forth
> > >        
> > on
> >      
> > > this thread].  Isn’t that a bit scary?
> > >
> > > Jim Stinehart
> > > Evanston, Illinois
> > >        
> >
> > Karl W. Randolph.
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