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Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point.
- From: Yitzhak Sapir <yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com>
- To: Randall Buth <randallbuth AT gmail.com>
- Cc: Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point.
- Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 03:34:05 +0300
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Randall Buth wrote:
> The reading brought up of Ps 22:18 strikes me strange. yar'ey
> bi is not a smooth reading (smixut+preposition-- while possible,
> it is not the expected preposition with yare, as if 'fearers of-because
> -of-me'), while the idiom with yir'u bi "they will see their victory over
> me" is classic. Anyway, like the 'reading ability' mentioned with
> scrambled English, I would probably even read a Qumran text
> that appeared to be y.r.'.y. b.y as yir'u bi because y and w in the
> Qumran script are notoriously interchanged. It reminds me of how I
> read the newspaper without bothering to put on glasses. d and r,
> b and k blur in my eyesight, but I just read the text anyway. Most
> of the time one doesn't need to re-read or re-look, or get one's
> glasses.
Images of the fragment are available on the internet due to its
proximity to Ps 22:17, which is a heavy point of debate.
Here are two:
http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php?title=Psalms_22:16&redirect=no
Karl apparently doesn't see that the Waw connects with the Aleph
and is therefore longer. Note that the Aleph's left leg has a "serif"
going to the right and down, unlike all other Alephs...
I don't know why you give Karl the benefit that yr)y by is possible.
I do not see how it is possible at all.
Yitzhak Sapir
>
> the bottom line is that written texts are underdifferentiated by
> their nature and that a language is not the graphic system that
> partially records the language. A language, and valid for any
> language, is the complete system that forms in users heads.
> For BH the most complete dialect of BH in unbroken continuity with
> using communities is recommended as the best starting point.
> Even though BH became first a 'high language' to a diglossia and
> then a second language to a community, BH is not like Ugaritic or
> Phoenician where the language lost a continuous using community
> and needed 100% reconstruction/decipherment. Continuous use
> means that organic change can be backtracked should one wish,
> as opposed to "reconstruction" which is artificial and dependent on
> the skill of the reconstructor.
>
> So students would do well to learn the morphology of BH thru
> the MT and to internalize it 'all the way'. then they will read the
> biblical text whether pointed or unpointed and will be sensitive to
> other readings or interpretations, whether with or against the MT.
>
> braxot
> Randall Buth
>
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[b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point.,
Garth Grenache, 05/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point.,
James Christian, 05/09/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point.,
Garth Grenache, 05/10/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point., K Randolph, 05/10/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point., Yigal Levin, 05/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point.,
Garth Grenache, 05/10/2010
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[b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point.,
Randall Buth, 05/10/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point., Yitzhak Sapir, 05/10/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Masoretic vowels -a good starting point.,
James Christian, 05/09/2010
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