Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>]

Hi, all.
Regarding my last post, look rather at www.oham.net/out/S-t/S-t0240p.html

Pere Porta
Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear John,
> Concerning your first question (Ec 3:18.11...).
> The real base form is not HEM but H"M (Ex 5:7.10) (with tsere): base form.
> But whenever this H"M becomes suffix, then the tsere turns to segol, HEM.
> Look here: www.oham.net/out/S-d/S-d0154.html and the four that follow it
> and/or www.oham.net/out/S-t/S-t0240.html and the following.
> What, then, in Ec 3:18 (whre it is a base)?
> When a base word with tsere is followed by maqaf (= hyphen), then the tsere
> turns to segol: look at paragraph B, item 2 in
> www.oham.net/out/N-d/N-d07.html.
>
> Remark: In HOWN and NF) you're mixing Hebrew and Aramaic: are you aware
> thereof? To my sense this is not legitimate.
> If you agree, I'm ready to give an answer to your second question.
>
> Pere Porta
> Barcelona, Catalonia Spain
>
>   On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> There are a few "word parts" that ares ambiguous (at least at first
>> look) as too if the part is a base or a suffix.
>> To define my terms here is an example:
>> Word: <WI/YR"$W./KF>
>> This is made up of three "word parts":
>> Prefix: <WI>
>> Base: <YR"$W.>
>> Suffix <KF>
>>
>>
>> There are 9 word parts that can go be either a base or a suffix, and I
>> am trying to figure the logic behind when it is one or the other:
>> <H"N>
>> B: gn3:22,4 (Pi) [/in 86 other places/] / da2:5,9 (Pc_D) [/in 15 other
>> places/]
>> S: ek16:47,10 (S3fp) [/in 2 other places/]
>>
>> <H"N.FH>
>> B: 2s4:6,1 (pi3fp) [/in 47 other places/] / gn15:16,4 (Pd) [/in 45 other
>> places/]
>> S: is34:16,7 (S3fp) [/in 2 other places/]
>>
>> <HEM>
>> B: ec3:18,11 (pi3mp) [/only //occurrence/]
>> S: gn2:25,2 (S3mp) [/in 1923 other places/] / ex30:12,7 (S3mpx) [/in 119
>> other places/]
>>
>> <HEN>
>> B: nu23:9,7 (Pi) [/in 11 other places/]
>> S: gn19:33,3 (S3fp) [/in 113 other places/] / 2k19:26,1 (S3fpx) [/in 3
>> other places/]
>>
>> <HF)>
>> B: da3:25,3 (Pi) [/only occurrence/]
>> S: ek41:15,11 (S3fs) [/only occurrence/]
>>
>> <HIY>
>> B: ek2:10,12 (ncmsa) [/only //occurrence/]
>> S: ps116:12,5 (S3ms) [/in 64 other places/] / da4:20,12 (S3msx) [/in 3
>> other places/]
>>
>> <HOWN>
>> B: ek27:12,5 (ncmsa) [/in 19 other places/] / ek27:27,1 (ncmsc) [/in 4
>> other places/]
>> S: da2:44,1 (S3mp) [/in 13 other places/]
>>
>> <NF)>
>> B: gn12:11,11 (Pi) [/in 331 other places/] / ex12:9,4 (amsa) [/only
>> //occurrence/]
>> S: er4:12,10 (S1cp) [/in 2 other places/] / er5:11,3 (S1cpx) [/only
>> //occurrence/]
>>
>> <NIY>
>> B: ek27:32,3 (ncmsc) [/only //occurrence/]
>> S: gn44:15,16 (S1cs) [/in 16 other places/] / gn20:11,11 (S1csx) [/in
>> 213 other places/]
>>
>>
>>
>> I will start out with two questions:
>>
>> My first question is with the third one listed <HEM>:
>> <HEM> as a Base:
>> ec3:18,11    | $:/HEM                    | P  $E@Pr  /  B  H"M@pi3mp
>>
>> <HEM> as a Suffix:
>> gn3:7,3      | $:N"Y/HEM                 | B  $:NAYIM@ucmdc  /  S
>>  HM@S3mp
>> gn6:13,13    | MI/P.:N"Y/HEM             | P  MIN@Pp_S  /  B
>> P.FNEH@ncmpc  /  S  HM@S3mp
>> gn8:19,11    | L:/MI$:P.:XO^T"Y/HEM      | P  L:@Pp_S  /  B
>> MI$:P.FXFH@ncfpc  /  S  HM@S3mp
>>
>> ec3:18,11 is the only time the word part <HEM> is a base, as pi3mp -
>> every other 2044 places its a suffix as S3mp.
>> Can anyone explain why?
>>
>>
>>
>> My second question is with the second one listed <H"N.FH>:
>> <H"N.FH> as a Base:
>> lv4:2,18    <M"/H"^N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S    /    B  H"N.FH@pi3fp
>> je5:6,15   <M"/H"^N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S    /    B  H"N.FH@pi3fp
>> ps34:21,5   <M"/H"^N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S    /    B  H"N.FH@pi3fp
>> 2s4:6,1      | W:/H"N.FH                 | P  W:@Pc_S  /  B  H"N.FH@pi3fp
>>
>> <H"N.FH> as a Suffix:
>> is34:16,7   <M"/H"N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S   /    S  HNH@S3fp
>> ek16:51,9   <M"/H"N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S    /    S  HNH@S3fp
>> 1c21:10,16   <M"/H"N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S   /    S  HNH@S3fp
>>
>> The reason I have 2s4:6,1 listed is because it is in the base position,
>> but without an accent.
>> So how does one determine which it is?
>>
>>
>>
>> B"H
>> John Steven
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>
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>
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> Pere Porta
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> (1Cor 15:32)
>



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