Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>]

Dear John,
Concerning your first question (Ec 3:18.11...).
The real base form is not HEM but H"M (Ex 5:7.10) (with tsere): base form.
But whenever this H"M becomes suffix, then the tsere turns to segol, HEM.
Look here: www.oham.net/out/S-d/S-d0154.html and the four that follow it
and/or www.oham.net/out/S-t/S-t0240.html and the following.
What, then, in Ec 3:18 (whre it is a base)?
When a base word with tsere is followed by maqaf (= hyphen), then the tsere
turns to segol: look at paragraph B, item 2 in
www.oham.net/out/N-d/N-d07.html.

Remark: In HOWN and NF) you're mixing Hebrew and Aramaic: are you aware
thereof? To my sense this is not legitimate.
If you agree, I'm ready to give an answer to your second question.

Pere Porta
Barcelona, Catalonia Spain

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com> wrote:

> There are a few "word parts" that ares ambiguous (at least at first
> look) as too if the part is a base or a suffix.
> To define my terms here is an example:
> Word: <WI/YR"$W./KF>
> This is made up of three "word parts":
> Prefix: <WI>
> Base: <YR"$W.>
> Suffix <KF>
>
>
> There are 9 word parts that can go be either a base or a suffix, and I
> am trying to figure the logic behind when it is one or the other:
> <H"N>
> B: gn3:22,4 (Pi) [/in 86 other places/] / da2:5,9 (Pc_D) [/in 15 other
> places/]
> S: ek16:47,10 (S3fp) [/in 2 other places/]
>
> <H"N.FH>
> B: 2s4:6,1 (pi3fp) [/in 47 other places/] / gn15:16,4 (Pd) [/in 45 other
> places/]
> S: is34:16,7 (S3fp) [/in 2 other places/]
>
> <HEM>
> B: ec3:18,11 (pi3mp) [/only //occurrence/]
> S: gn2:25,2 (S3mp) [/in 1923 other places/] / ex30:12,7 (S3mpx) [/in 119
> other places/]
>
> <HEN>
> B: nu23:9,7 (Pi) [/in 11 other places/]
> S: gn19:33,3 (S3fp) [/in 113 other places/] / 2k19:26,1 (S3fpx) [/in 3
> other places/]
>
> <HF)>
> B: da3:25,3 (Pi) [/only occurrence/]
> S: ek41:15,11 (S3fs) [/only occurrence/]
>
> <HIY>
> B: ek2:10,12 (ncmsa) [/only //occurrence/]
> S: ps116:12,5 (S3ms) [/in 64 other places/] / da4:20,12 (S3msx) [/in 3
> other places/]
>
> <HOWN>
> B: ek27:12,5 (ncmsa) [/in 19 other places/] / ek27:27,1 (ncmsc) [/in 4
> other places/]
> S: da2:44,1 (S3mp) [/in 13 other places/]
>
> <NF)>
> B: gn12:11,11 (Pi) [/in 331 other places/] / ex12:9,4 (amsa) [/only
> //occurrence/]
> S: er4:12,10 (S1cp) [/in 2 other places/] / er5:11,3 (S1cpx) [/only
> //occurrence/]
>
> <NIY>
> B: ek27:32,3 (ncmsc) [/only //occurrence/]
> S: gn44:15,16 (S1cs) [/in 16 other places/] / gn20:11,11 (S1csx) [/in
> 213 other places/]
>
>
>
> I will start out with two questions:
>
> My first question is with the third one listed <HEM>:
> <HEM> as a Base:
> ec3:18,11    | $:/HEM                    | P  $E@Pr  /  B  H"M@pi3mp
>
> <HEM> as a Suffix:
> gn3:7,3      | $:N"Y/HEM                 | B  $:NAYIM@ucmdc  /  S  HM@S3mp
> gn6:13,13    | MI/P.:N"Y/HEM             | P  MIN@Pp_S  /  B
> P.FNEH@ncmpc  /  S  HM@S3mp
> gn8:19,11    | L:/MI$:P.:XO^T"Y/HEM      | P  L:@Pp_S  /  B
> MI$:P.FXFH@ncfpc  /  S  HM@S3mp
>
> ec3:18,11 is the only time the word part <HEM> is a base, as pi3mp -
> every other 2044 places its a suffix as S3mp.
> Can anyone explain why?
>
>
>
> My second question is with the second one listed <H"N.FH>:
> <H"N.FH> as a Base:
> lv4:2,18    <M"/H"^N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S    /    B  H"N.FH@pi3fp
> je5:6,15   <M"/H"^N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S    /    B  H"N.FH@pi3fp
> ps34:21,5   <M"/H"^N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S    /    B  H"N.FH@pi3fp
> 2s4:6,1      | W:/H"N.FH                 | P  W:@Pc_S  /  B  H"N.FH@pi3fp
>
> <H"N.FH> as a Suffix:
> is34:16,7   <M"/H"N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S   /    S  HNH@S3fp
> ek16:51,9   <M"/H"N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S    /    S  HNH@S3fp
> 1c21:10,16   <M"/H"N.FH>   |      P  MIN@Pp_S   /    S  HNH@S3fp
>
> The reason I have 2s4:6,1 listed is because it is in the base position,
> but without an accent.
> So how does one determine which it is?
>
>
>
> B"H
> John Steven
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Pere Porta
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