Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com>]

Yitzhak,
You said: "If you don't want to deal with pronunciation, don't use terms 
that deal with pronunciation."
So what term do you suggest I use to describe the dots and dashes 
graphically found under the letters?
If the term "vowel" is incorrect, then what would be correct?
The last time I checked the proper term for these glyphs was "vowels". :)

I have made it clear that my concerns were NOT with pronunciation - but 
with what is GRAPHICALLY in the text. I don't care if the hataf patah 
and patah would/could/should be pronounced the same - they have two 
separate glyphs to represent them.

You said I didn't answer your questions.
I am not going to waste my time trying to justify the validity of my 
question to you. Please don't get made cause you don't like my question, 
or because you don't think its a valid or important question.

So again, in case I wasn't clear:
Is there any places in the text of the Hebrew Bible where the GRAPHIC 
presence/absence of the dagesh glyph ALONE causes a change in anything 
EXCEPT for the word's pronunciation?
If so, please cite some samples of this occurring.


B"H
John Steven.

"He who makes a mistake is still our friend; he who adds to or shortens 
a melody is still our friend; but he who violates a rhythm unawares can 
no longer be our friend."
-Ishaq Ibn Ibrahim 767-850 CE.

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behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

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correctness of their decisions, but rather the cunning sinner can more 
skillfully defend and justify his iniquity."
- Rabbi Tovia Singer


Yitzhak Sapir wrote:
> On 2/22/09, Brak wrote:
>
>   
> > I'm not
> > concerned that the adding of the dagesh is causing the vowel change - the
> > fact is that there is a vowel change. So when you say the only difference is
> > the dagesh you are wrong - as you have different vowels.
> >     
>
> A vowel is an element of pronunciation.  That is the primary meaning of the
> English word "vowel."  The two signs mark the same vowels.  You may say
> that there are two different vowel signs, but these are still the same vowel.
> If you don't want to deal with pronunciation, don't use terms that deal with
> pronunciation.  Since you didn't answer any of my questions, which
> were intended to help me answer your questions, I have no reason to
> answer yours.
>
> Yitzhak Sapir
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