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  • From: Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: [b-hebrew] Year of Exodus
  • Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:50:19 -0800 (PST)





 
   Yigal has written:
 
 "So, while the match is not perfect, the most logical time for an Israelite
conquest (or whatever historical process came to be described as the
conquest) is around 1200, with the Exodus occuring around 1240 BCE. Of
course, there IS no actual evidence of either..."

 
 There is always the possibility that Exodus does retain general memories.
 
 That some ancestors of Israelites had indeed been in Egypt; that they were
in bondage; and , significantly, picked up  there a belief in a single deity
intolerant of other gods, can be supported, though not proven, by much
extra-biblical material .
 
  Therefore, one can fully accept the outline of the Exodus story, as well as
the
 Patriarchs narratives, as Outline History. This was of course done before,
see e.g  A.Malamat. As for Egypt, no serious discussion of the subject can
exclude
 the views of K. Kitchen and Hoffmeier.
 
  What is difficult to accept are the large numbers involved in the Exodus
narratives;
further, that not all Hebrews had gone to Egypt was assumed by major scholars
such as Albright, and Meek a long time ago.
 
   Uri Hurwitz                                                           
Great Neck, NY
 
 
 





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I have a question. Is this forum supposed to be devoted to questions
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discuss debated and difficult Hebrew syntax and grammatical issues. I may
have misunderstood. Please help. I'm not being rude, I just am confused.

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