Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Shoshanna Walker <rosewalk AT concentric.net>]

Yes, the internet is full to the brim of sites advocating Christian 
interpretations of the Torah, and yes, some of Chazal interpreted it 
to refer to Mashiach, but the consensus - and there are always 
differing opinions and then a consensus - is that this is referring 
to Israel.

By the way, the Mashiach who will be physically harmed, is Mashiach 
ben Yosef, who will come before Mashiach ben David, and he will be 
killed defending us against the nations who come against us in 
Jerusalem/Israel.

Shoshanna


>

HH: You mentioned the translations, but you did not mention the
interpretations. You wrote:
> > Anyway, it couldn't mean "pierced", because the subject is the people
> > of Israel, how could you pierce a collection of people?
>
> HH: Even some Jewish interpreters have taken this to be an individual,
> not the people of Israel.
> http://isaiah53.com/
>
> Midrash Cohen
>
> ìElijah says to Messiah:îBear the suffering and punishment of thy Lord
> with which he chastises thee for the sins of Israel, as it is written,
> ëHe is pressed for our rebellion ñ crushed for our iniquitiesí until the
> end come"
>
> Midrash Thanhumi, Babylonian Talmud
>
> Rabbi Nahman says, the word ìman in the passageÖrefers to the Messiah,
> the son of David, as it is written, ìBehold the man whose name is Zemahî;
> there Jonathan interprets, Behold the man Messiah: as it is said, ìa man
> of pains and known to sickness.î
>
> Maimonides
>
> Regarding the mission by which Messiah will present himself, Öhe will
> not commend himself to our veneration by reason of his noble extraction;
> but the marvelous deeds he perform will show him to be the anticipated
> MessiahÖIsaiah states, ìHe grew like a tender plant, and as a root out
> of dry land, î signifying, that his exact descent will not be known,
> till his successful career will direct peopleís attention to itÖBut a
> noteworthy circumstance will be that crowned heads will stand amazedÖSo
> they will come in utter silence, as Isaiah predicts, ìAt him will kings
> shut their mouths, for what had not been told unto them shall they see,
> and what they never heard they understand.
>
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard

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