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- From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
- To: "<pporta AT oham.net>" <pporta AT oham.net>
- Cc: b-hebrew List <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Question about Pi'el Imperfect
- Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:59:07 -0400
Pere,
I happen to think that the business of "short" and "long" vowels is baloney, ditto "qamas gadol" and "qamas qaton", ditto Schwa mobile and Schwa quiescent. The "qamas qaton" is just a popular override of A to O. Nowadays it is indeed common practice to add a VAV as in CIYPORIYM, 'birds', $IYBOLIYM, 'ears of grain', CIYPORNAYIM, 'finger nails'.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
On May 17, 2007, at 12:21 AM, <pporta AT oham.net> <pporta AT oham.net> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brak" <Brak AT neo.rr.com>
To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Question about Pi'el Imperfect of RBD
I had another question though
I noticed that the one example they gave when N.F) is added to an
imperfect ZKR the holem is changed to a qamas. But they didn't explain
why it was done.
So without the NF) its YIZ:KOR with the NF) its YIZ:KFR
So should I assume that whenever the NF) is added after a word and that
word has a holem that it is changed to a qamas?
_________
John,
it is not a qamas but a qamas qaton, thus read 'o' and not 'a'. Namely, the
long vowel (holem) becomes short (qamas qaton).
Compare:
LONG <> SHORT
YI$:MOR (1Sa 2:9) becomes YI$:MFR-LFNW (Jer 5:24)
It is a mere change of vowels, the meaning of the verb remaining quite the
same.
This is why in the hasar haniqud (writing without vowels) a waw is inserted
in both.
This happens not only with the particle NF) you're pointing out but with
other words one adds to the verb, usually by means of maqaf, in an intimate
union.
Pere Porta
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