Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>]

Dear Gary and all,

I've been staying away from this thread and its offshoots, mostly because 
it's been the blind preaching to the deaf (in both directions). However, I 
want to point out that "mexuda$" is a modern Hebrew form, which does not 
appear in the Bible. I cannot find any place in which "xada$" definately 
means "renewed", but there are certainly some places in which both "new" and 
"renewed" would fit the context.
There is, however, the verbal form "xidde$" (piel), which definately can 
mean either.

The "berit xada$ah" of Jer. 31:31 can be compared to the new earth and new 
sky of Isaiah 65:17. Will God really abolish the existing earth and sky?

Yigal Levin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Hedrick" <garyh AT cjfm.org>
To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] New or Renewed in Jeremiah 31:31?


>            Oh, my.  You can try to tap-dance around this all you want, and
> you can quote encyclopedias until the cows come home, but it won't change
> the fact that "renewed" is a bad translation in Jer. 31:31.  The 
> adjectival
> form for "renewed" would be mechudeshet, not chadashah ("new").  Just ask
> anyone who speaks Hebrew.  And this new covenant is NOT ("lo") like the
> Sinai Covenant.  It's emphatic.
>
>            Yes, of course, many Jewish encyclopedias talk about the Torah
> of Moshe as being something permanent and eternal.  Their editors are
> understandably concerned about Christian teaching re: the NT being the New
> Covenant, and about supersessionism.  Rambam, I think, was also adamant
> about this (I'm not sure-I'd have to look it up).  But when you scratch a
> bit beneath the surface, particularly in the mystical tradition of 
> Judaism,
> you find that there is a longstanding current of thought within the rich 
> and
> diverse heritage of Judaism re: a future New Torah.  I would recommend 
> that
> you consult THE MESSIAH TEXTS by Raphael Patai, who taught Hebrew at 
> Hebrew
> University in Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Patai).
> Chapter 26 is "New Worlds and a New Tora."  It's an excellent resource and
> you can buy it on Amazon.com.  I think Klausner also talks about the 
> Messiah
> bringing a new understanding of Torah in some of his "messianic idea"
> writings.
>
>            But for our purposes here on B-Hebrew, from a purely 
> grammatical
> standpoint, it's a "new covenant," not a "renewed covenant."  Check the 
> JPS
> Tanakh at Jer. 31:31 and see how it translates it.
>
>
>
> Gary Hedrick
>
> San Antonio, Texas USA
>
>  _____
>
> From: davidfentonism AT aim.com [mailto:davidfentonism AT aim.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:34 PM
> To: garyh AT cjfm.org; b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17
>
>
>
> The New Covenant has never been a significant feature of Jewish 
> eschatology,
> other than the belief that eventually all Jews will know and follow the
> Torah without the need to study (Jer 31:32-33). For example, the article
> Jewish Encyclopedia: New Testament [1] states: "The idea of the new 
> covenant
> is based chiefly upon Jer. xxxi. 31-34 (comp. Heb. viii. 6-13, x. 16). 
> That
> the prophet's words do not imply an abrogation of the Law is evidenced by
> his emphatic declaration of the immutability of the covenant with Israel
> (Jer 31:35-36; comp. 33:25[2]); he obviously looked for a renewal of the 
> Law
> through a regeneration of the hearts of the people.
>
>
> [1] http://jewishencycl <http://jewishencycl/>
> opedia.com/view.jsp?artid=245&letter=N&search=New%20Testament#717
> [2] http://www.mechon- <http://www.mechon-/> mamre.org/p/pt/pt1133.htm#25
> [3] COVENANT, THE NEW
>
> (berith chadhashah, Jeremiah 31:31; he diatheke kaine, Hebrews 8:8,13, 
> etc.,
> or nea, Hebrews 12:24:
>
> the former Greek adjective has the sense of the "new" primari1y in 
> reference
> to quality, the latter the sense of "young," the "new," primarily in
> reference to time):
>
> 1. Contrast of "New" and "Old"--The Term "Covenant"
>
> 2. Christ's Use at the Last Supper
>
> 3. Relation to Exodus 24
>
> 4. Use in Epistle to the Hebrews
>
> 5. The Mediator of the New Covenant
>
> 6. "Inheritance" and "Testament"
>
> 7. Relation to Jeremiah 31:31-34
>
> 8. To Ezekiel
>
> 9. Contrast of Old and New in 2 Corinthians 3
>
>
>
> ----------------------------
> Gal. 27-29: For as many as have had a tevilah into Moshiach have clothed
> yourselves with Moshiach. There is not Yehudi nor Yevani (Greek), there is
> not eved (servant) nor ben chorin (freedman), there is not zachar (male) 
> nor
> nekevah (female), for you are all echad in Moshiach Yehoshua/Yeshua. And, 
> if
> you belong to Moshiach (YESHAYAH 53:10), then you are of the ZERAH of
> Avraham Avinu, you are yoreshim (heirs) according to the havtachah
> (promise).
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: garyh AT cjfm.org
> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Dying, you will die Gen 2:17
>
>    This nuance of meaning ("new" vs. "renewed") sounded interesting, so
> I looked it up in Jer. 31:31 and it's berit chadashah--"new covenant." 
> The
> Berit HaChadashah (the Heb. NT) has the same wording in Heb. 12:24.  So
> where does "renewed" come from?  The Hebrew word for "renewed" is
> Mechudeshet, not Chadashah.
>    We have learned from experience that very often, a forced
> translation like this is driven by some sort of ideological agenda.  Is 
> that
> true here?
>
> Gary Hedrick
> San Antonio, Texas USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Actually, the Jeremiah passage you cite does not say "new: but it says 
> b'rit
> chadashah (renewed covenant). If you want a concise explanation (excerpt
> below) of the eternal covenant go to
> http://www.revelations.org.za/Eternal_Life.htm and it quickly do that,
> Harold. I know your questions/commentary is sincere and so I only hope to
> respond true to my own understanding which is still developing.
>
>
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