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  • From: Harold Holmyard <hholmyard AT ont.com>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Septuagint vs Hebrew, effect on Christianity
  • Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:20:56 -0500

Schmuel wrote:

Conclusion.
An easier general explanation for the verses in question -
The Greek OT was 'smoothed' by low-quality scribes between 100 AD to 500 AD
to be closer to the NT - by scribes who simply could not leave midrash alone
:-)

HH: Where did you get this information?

Many places.
One good book is by Floyd Nolen Jones.
http://www.floydjones.org/LXX.pdf
The Septuagint: A Critical Analysis

HH: This does not look like a good piece of writing, as reviewed here:

http://ecclesia.org/truth/defense.html


You don't include other sources of LXX quotations such as Philo and Josephus.

Schmuel
You have confused two distinct issues. The

1) question of a vorlage behind the Greek OT and 2) actual verses that are used for NT/Tanach supposed borrowing.

HH: The Dead Sea Scrolls show that there are differences in the LXX that stem from a different Hebrew vorlage. This can account for differences in the LXX text from the Hebrew such that the NT writer quoting the LXX is not necessarily changing anything.


Do Philo or Josephus give any support for those actual verses ?
I have never seen even one.

HH: Please!
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/gopher/other/journals/kraftpub/Judaism/Septuagint%20(Old%20Greek)


The earliest preserved OG materials: The growing body of
relevant materials that antedate the Second Jewish Revolt (135
CE) permits a glimpse of early OG textual developments. Actual
Greek fragments include:

Approximate
Date Siglum Identification
2nd BCE 801 4 QLXX Lev\a
2nd/1st BCE 957 P.Rylands 458 Deut
805 7 QLXX Exod
804 7 QLXX Epist.Jer
1st BCE 942 P.Fouad 266 Gen
848 P.Fouad 266 Deut #1
1st BCE/1st CE 802 4 QLXX Lev\b
803 4 QLXX Num
1st CE 847 P.Fouad 266 Deut #2
1st/2nd CE 814 P.Yale 1 Gen (codex)
Early 2nd CE 963 Chester Beatty Num-Deut (codex)


Extensive quotations and allusions in Greek are also preserved in
Philo (ca. 30 CE), Paul (ca. 50), Josephus (ca. 80), 1 Clement
(ca. 95), and a number of other Christian texts from the early
[[813]] period. Determination of the exact wording of a
quotation often must remain problematical, however, since the
original text of the document in which it occurs must itself be
reconstructed by careful textcritical methods. Finally, some
later non-Greek versions and quotations (especially OL) can also
be used, since they are clearly based upon Greek texts of an
early date (see LATIN VERSIONS [SI).


Yours,
Harold Holmyard




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