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  • From: Shoshanna Walker <rosewalk AT concentric.net>
  • To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel
  • Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:04:48 -0500

Mordechai was the head of the Sanhedrin and the head of the Men of the Great Assembly, in Jerusalem, and also one of the 48 prophets of Israel.

That is not to say that he headed a Sanhedrin or Great Assembly outside of Israel.

He went into exile twice, the first time he went into exile on his own (the Exile of Yechonya, King of Judah, 3328 - like Yirmiyahu who afterwards went into exile on his own), with Daniel, to be with the people and teach them, but soon returned to Jerusalem. The second time, was not of his own will, when Nevuchadnezar had driven him to Bavel, together with the final Exile (3338).

He was already an old man at the time of these events.

Shoshanna




It is not quite true that the Sanhedrin did not operate in Babylonia,
according to the rabbinic re-construction of history, Mordechai was the head
of the "sanhedrin" in his generation, even though he lived in Persia. The
sanhedrin was re-established in the land of Israel by Ezra, under the title
of "the Great Assembly".

Yigal Levin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>
To: "b-hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>; "Shoshanna Walker"
<rosewalk AT concentric.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel


Dear Shoshanna,

I am sure that what you have said regarding Daniel not receiving visions
directly from God would be incorrect since it clearly says in Daniel
2:19-23,

19 - "Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then
Daniel blessed the God of heaven. Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the
name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: and he
changeth
the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he
giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know
understanding:
he revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the
darkness,
and light dwelleth with him. I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of
my
fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me
now
what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's
matter."

Thus, Daniel himself says that he received the vision from God. The other
visions that Daniel received had the interpretation given by an angel to
God.

Now, do I accept what Scripture says or do I follow what the rabbi's have
said? Obviously, the Sanhedrin was not in operation in Babylon.

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III





----- Original Message -----
From: "Shoshanna Walker" <rosewalk AT concentric.net>
To: "b-hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Daniel


It don't think he was "demoted", because he's in Vilna Gaon's list of
the 48 male prophets of Israel (prophet number 44) - and apparently
there was some disagreement.

Rashi doesn't include him in his list, and I posted where the Talmud
says he was not a prophet.

I think that the best, most common sense and non-religious reason
why he would not be considered a prophet, is because he didn't
receive his visions directly from G-d.

Very simple. Whether he was rejected by Sanhedrin, or even APPLIED
to Sanhedrin, I don't know - the literature is too vast for me to
figure out where to look it up.

But now I'm very curious.

Shoshanna




As for why Daniel was/is not considered a prophet, there are more than
one reasons given, the most important I heard was because he was a
court official in an enslaving kingdom. Peterö's suggestion that he
was "demoted" as a reaction to Christian citing of his prophecies
probably also played a part.
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