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- From: Peter Kirk <peter AT qaya.org>
- To: Herman Meester <crazymulgogi AT gmail.com>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] hell
- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:25:25 +0000
On 18/03/2006 13:14, Herman Meester wrote:
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I did, and I read in 15,35-49 exactly that Paul does not consider this
resurrection of the dead to happen literally to corpses. Paul says
(44) σπειρεται σωμα ψυχικον, εγειρεται σωμα πνευματικον "sown a
physical [="with psyche"] body, raised a spiritual body" And
immediately following that: "if there's a physical body [again, a
material, earthly body to which a psyche is added], then there's an
immaterial/spiritual [pneumatikon] body, too."
But you have misunderstood ψυχικον psuchikon. This adjective does not mean "physical", but in fact relates to ψυχη psuche (or psyche) which is the Greek word for "soul"! So the contrast is certainly not between physical and immaterial, but between "soulish" and spiritual. I'm not quite sure what "soulish" means here. One translation has "natural", i.e. related to the ordinary human nature. Possibly it is something to do with being subject to sin. But it certainly does not mean "physical". But the word "body" does imply "physical". Yes, in Paul's teaching there is a difference between the old and the new body, but it is not that the old is physical and the new is immaterial.
...
Paul himself is very clear (15,50):
σαρξ και αιμα βασιλειαν θεου κληρονομησαι ου δυναται ουδε η φθορα την
αφθαρσιαν κληρονομει: "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of
God, nor does the perishable inherit the perishable"; ...
Another aspect of the distinction between the old body and the new, related in some way to the "soulish"/spiritual one, is that the old one is perishable and corruptible but the new one is imperishable and incorruptible. Of course a body can hardly be imperishable and incorruptible if it is not a physical body at all.
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Peter Kirk
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Karl Randolph, 03/16/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Peter Kirk, 03/16/2006
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[b-hebrew] hell,
B. M. Rocine, 03/17/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Peter Kirk, 03/17/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Rolf Furuli, 03/17/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Peter Kirk, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Herman Meester, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Peter Kirk, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Herman Meester, 03/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Herman Meester, 03/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Peter Kirk, 03/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Herman Meester, 03/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Peter Kirk, 03/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Herman Meester, 03/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Peter Kirk, 03/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Herman Meester, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Herman Meester, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Peter Kirk, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Herman Meester, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Peter Kirk, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Karl Randolph, 03/16/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Peter Kirk, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Rolf Furuli, 03/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] hell, Peter Kirk, 03/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] hell,
Rolf Furuli, 03/18/2006
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