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- From: "Vadim Cherny" <VadimCherny AT mail.ru>
- To: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14
- Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:36:07 +0300
Let us first consider a method. How do you expect me to prove narrator's
deictic center? Psychoanalysis? No.
OK, so you are putting forward a hypothesis which is, by your own admission, unprovable - and for the same reason is unfalsifiable. As such it can only be a speculation.
Of course, not. As I described, and what is a standard method of scientific proof, a hypothesis can be accepted if no contradicting facts can be brought against it, and if the hypothesis is simler than others.
I think you need to suggest how it is even reasonable to consider that a habitual action in the past is described from a deictic centre shifted even further into the past, when there is no evidence at all for such a deictic shift.The discussed fact of using future tense to describe past events is just such evidence.
I assume, you don't dispute that deictic shifts exist.
To prove b), I invoke Russian and English examples, and show that such
shifts are not alien to human mentality.
The English example, "would" for a past habit, certainly does not indicate a deictic shift into the past.
I can settle for calling that idiomatic usage, and then we can discuss whether that idiomatic usage originally arose from deictic center shifts.
Vadim Cherny
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Vadim Cherny, 09/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Stoney Breyer, 09/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Vadim Cherny, 09/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Michael Abernathy, 09/17/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Vadim Cherny, 09/18/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Michael Abernathy, 09/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Vadim Cherny, 09/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Peter Kirk, 09/16/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Dave Washburn, 09/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Peter Kirk, 09/18/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Vadim Cherny, 09/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Peter Kirk, 09/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Vadim Cherny, 09/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Peter Kirk, 09/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Vadim Cherny, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Peter Kirk, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Ken Penner, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Peter Kirk, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Vadim Cherny, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Peter Kirk, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Vadim Cherny, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Peter Kirk, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Vadim Cherny, 09/20/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Peter Kirk, 09/18/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Stoney Breyer, 09/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Vadim Cherny, 09/16/2005
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