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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: Vadim Cherny <VadimCherny AT mail.ru>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14
- Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:43:36 +0100
On 19/09/2005 08:33, Vadim Cherny wrote:
Let us first consider a method. How do you expect me to prove narrator's
deictic center? Psychoanalysis? No.
OK, so you are putting forward a hypothesis which is, by your own admission, unprovable - and for the same reason is unfalsifiable. As such it can only be a speculation.
What I can do - and what is the standard method of proof - is to show that
the observed facts are consistent with the hypothesis. Thus, for every
example of the supposedly irregular use of tenses (such as Michael's) I have
to show that:
a. The deictic center shift (assuming it happened) explains the usage of
tenses, and
b. That such shift is possible.
I think you need to suggest how it is even reasonable to consider that a habitual action in the past is described from a deictic centre shifted even further into the past, when there is no evidence at all for such a deictic shift.
To prove b), I invoke Russian and English examples, and show that such
shifts are not alien to human mentality.
The English example, "would" for a past habit, certainly does not indicate a deictic shift into the past. I can tell you that certainly from my mother tongue speaker intuition into English. As for your Russian examples, I can ask Russian mother tongue speakers next week.
If you think of any different method of proof acceptable to you and otherIt is up to you to find a way to prove your own speculations. If there isn't one, your speculations are baseless.
correspondents, let me know.
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Peter Kirk, 09/15/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Vadim Cherny, 09/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Stoney Breyer, 09/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Vadim Cherny, 09/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Michael Abernathy, 09/17/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Vadim Cherny, 09/18/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Michael Abernathy, 09/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Vadim Cherny, 09/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Peter Kirk, 09/16/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Dave Washburn, 09/17/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Peter Kirk, 09/18/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Vadim Cherny, 09/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Peter Kirk, 09/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Vadim Cherny, 09/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14, Peter Kirk, 09/19/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Vadim Cherny, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Peter Kirk, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Ken Penner, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Peter Kirk, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Vadim Cherny, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Peter Kirk, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Vadim Cherny, 09/20/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] tenses, Peter Kirk, 09/20/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Peter Kirk, 09/18/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Stoney Breyer, 09/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Vadim Cherny, 09/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] tenses - Ex 3:14,
Peter Kirk, 09/15/2005
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