Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Sujata <shevaroys AT yahoo.com>]

Yahweh's glory is a physical manifestation of the
presence of God, something physical that could be seen
by physical eyes. There are many reference to this in
the scriptures. Here are a couple.

In Ez 9:3
   the glory of the Lord moved to the threshold of the
temple

Ez 11:23
The glory of the Lord stood on the mountain

I think Eusebius also writes about the glory of the
Lord standing above mount olives.

Best wishes,
Sujata


--- "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk> wrote:

> What I find absurd is that we all agree that Moshe
> could not look at Yah's face and
> yet not so long ago we were debating wether Abraham
> saw an angel or actually saw 
> Yah himself.
> 
> Several points are interesting here:
> 
> 18  At this he said: “Cause me to see, please, your
> glory.” 19  But he said: “I myself shall cause all
> my goodness to pass before your face, and I will
> declare the name of Jehovah before you
> 
> 1)Moshe requests to see Yah's glory.
> 2)Yah equates his glory to his 'goodness' and also
> to the declaration of his name.
> 
>  21And Jehovah said further: “Here is a place with
> me, and you must station yourself upon the rock. 22 
> And it has to occur that while my glory is passing
> by I must place you in a hole in the rock, and I
> must put my palm over you as a screen until I have
> passed by
> 
> 3)The metaphorical palm blocks Moshe's vision until
> *Yah* has passed by *NOT* his glory
> 4)Yah's name is declared and his goodness (i.e. his
> glory) is clearly defined, as follows:
> 
>  And Jehovah proceeded to come down in the cloud and
> station himself with him there and declare the name
> of Jehovah. 6  And Jehovah went passing by before
> his face and declaring: “Jehovah, Jehovah, a God
> merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in
> loving-kindness and truth, 7  preserving
> loving-kindness for thousands, pardoning error and
> transgression and sin, but by no means will he give
> exemption from punishment, bringing punishment for
> the error of fathers upon sons and upon grandsons,
> upon the third generation and upon the fourth
> generation.”
> 
> In conclusion:
> 
> Moshe requested what was not humanly possible, to
> see Yah himself. However, Yah shows himself in a far
> 
> superior way than as in a physical demonstration,
> i.e.by revealing his perona by virtue of his godly 
> qualities:
> 
> Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and gracious, slow
> to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth,
> 7  preserving loving-kindness for thousands,
> pardoning error and transgression and sin, but by no
> means will he give exemption from punishment,
> bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon
> sons and upon grandsons, upon the third generation
> and upon the fourth generation.”
> 
> Interstingly, Jesus apostles requested to see the
> Father and he replied that watching his pattern was 
> the way to see the Father. Evidently because to see
> Yah means to understand his personality as opposed 
> to seeing his physical form.
> 
> Compare Hebrews 11:27:
> 
> By faith he left Egypt, but not fearing the anger of
> the king, for he continued steadfast as seeing the
> One who is invisible
> 
> Notice the reference to Yah being invisible, yet
> paradoxically Moshe saw him. How? In a spiritual
> sense, 
> by getting to know him on a personal level and
> becoming his close friend.
> 
> ANTHROPOMORPHISMS
> 
> As has been demonstrated,it is widely understood by
> many that physical references to Yah can be 
> understood as a mechanism of describiing Yah while
> working within the limitations of a language 
> which is physically orientated, i.e. they are just
> metaphors.
> Following this line of reasoning it is possible to
> understand that the references to Yah's palm 
> and his back are metaphorical just as the reference
> tohis 'finger' which wrote the ten commandments.
> 
> Yah's blocking Moshe's vision with his palm can be
> understood as Yah using his power to block Moshe's 
> vision and Yah's 'back' can be understood as the
> aftereffects of his 'passing by' e.g. When you see a
> 
> bright light for a few seconds which suddenly
> dissappears,you continue to see its aftereffects in
> the 
> form a glow in your eyes (caused by temporarily
> burnt retinas). I don't know if that was followable
> or 
> not. I do garble a bit sometimes.
> 
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