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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: "Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3
- Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:31:28 +0100
On 13/08/2005 23:43, Read, James C wrote:
I always thought that adonai meant my lord/master/sir in the singular.
No. It is usually a divine title and as such has a singular referent although plural in form, just like Elohim. But when referring to humans, adonay is plural "my masters", whereas adoni is singular "my master". This is quite regular: -i is the basic 1st person singular possessive suffix, but when added to a plural which would otherwise by -im, construct -ey, the suffixes contract together resulting in -ay.
Anyway, the point here is that earlier it was argued that the 'wa' prefix can only be understood as a succession of events. ...
Do you think I argued this? I do not hold that the WAYYIQTOL form is strictly sequential, and I have not seen anyone on this list recently supporting this position. On the other hand, I do hold that the default understanding of an unbroken series of WAYYIQTOL forms is that they are sequential, unless this non-sequentiality is marked in some way. But this verse is not a counter-example to this position because the series of WAYYIQTOLs is broken, see below.
... However, as is clear from this example, that is not always true. The first clause, 'Yah appears to Abram', is an introduction to the account and the subsequent clauses expand on how that happened by backing up a bit and explaining theNo, it does not. The second clause is v.1b, W:HW.) YO$"B ... "(and) he was sitting...", a verbless clause with a participle. It is a normal part of Hebrew discourse that a story starts with verbless clauses giving the background situation, which is then followed by a series of events which are typically marked with WAYYIQTOL. And this story follows that structure, following the initial summary in v.1a.
story. i.e. this is not a strict sequence of events even though the second
clause begins
with the 'wa' prefix.
In exactly the same way 2Sam24 starts with a scene setting statement that YahThis may be a possible interpretation. But the structure is not the same as in Genesis 18, for there is no break in the sequence of WAYYIQTOL forms and nothing else (apart from theological presuppositions) to indicate non-sequentiality. So, I would like to see a proper linguistic argument, rather than the implied theological one, for non-sequentiality here.
got angry and
then backs up a little and explains how that happened.
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[b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Read, James C, 08/12/2005
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3, Yigal Levin, 08/13/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Read, James C, 08/13/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Peter Kirk, 08/13/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Yitzhak Sapir, 08/14/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Dave Washburn, 08/14/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Yitzhak Sapir, 08/15/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Dave Washburn, 08/15/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3, Peter Kirk, 08/15/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3, Dave Washburn, 08/15/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3, Peter Kirk, 08/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Dave Washburn, 08/15/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Yitzhak Sapir, 08/15/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Dave Washburn, 08/14/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Yitzhak Sapir, 08/14/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] 2Sam24:1 v. Gen18:1-3,
Peter Kirk, 08/13/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Gen18:1-3, Peter Kirk, 08/15/2005
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