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- From: "Heard, Christopher" <Christopher.Heard AT pepperdine.edu>
- To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?
- Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:32:31 -0700
On Aug 5, 2005, at 6:30 AM, Read, James C wrote:
This is not the only case in scripture where the agent is ambiguous and it is[/James]
clear that the chronicler, whose hebrew was better than ours, did not understand
the agent to be Yah's anger but 'an adversary' or Satan himself.
Your interpretation of the verse does not make sense.
Yah got angry because David obeyed him?????
The chronicler, evidently, was not led to understand such a thing and so his
version of events clears the ambiguity by making the agent of the second clause
explicit.
James, your reasoning quoted above begs the question by _assuming_ (a) that the Chronicler understood 1 Chron 21:1 to be recapitulating the meaning of 2 Sam 24:1 rather than altering it, (b) that both the "Deuteronomistic Historian" and the Chronicler though it inappropriate for YHWH to incite someone into an action and then punish them for that action, (c) that 2 Sam 24:1 is ambiguous, and (d) that the Chronicler is using the word _satan_ in 2 Sam 24:1 to refer to some entity other than YHWH. All of these things need to be _demonstrated_, not _assumed_, in order for an answer like the above to have persuasive force.
Perhaps just to focus on (c) for a moment: Are there any (other) sentences in Hebrew biblical narrative, structured as /verb/ / subject/ ... /verb/ ..., with both verbs in WAYIQQTOL, both verbs 3ms, where the second verb _demonstrably_ has an implicit subject different from the explicit subject of the first verb? I don't know if there aren't or are any such, because I haven't looked for them. But if you want to _persuasively_ argue against the syntactical principle that Peter mentioned earlier, some answer to this question needs to be forthcoming.
Best wishes,
Chris
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R. Christopher Heard
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Pepperdine University
Malibu, California 90263-4352
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Karl Randolph, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Heard, Christopher, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Peter Kirk, 08/05/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Heard, Christopher, 08/05/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Read, James C, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Peter Kirk, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Karl Randolph, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Karl Randolph, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/05/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Read, James C, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Yitzhak Sapir, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Heard, Christopher, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Peter Kirk, 08/05/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Read, James C, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Yitzhak Sapir, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/05/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Read, James C, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Jim West, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Heard, Christopher, 08/05/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
George F Somsel, 08/05/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Dave Washburn, 08/05/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Evgeny Ivanov, 08/05/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Dave Washburn, 08/05/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Karl Randolph, 08/04/2005
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